Acrobat & Monkey: Max Height Reached

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The problem involves a circus acrobat who leaps from a trampoline while taking a monkey off a perch, raising questions about the maximum height reached by the combined system of the acrobat and the monkey. The subject area pertains to mechanics, specifically the conservation of momentum and gravitational potential energy.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the justification for using conservation of momentum in the presence of gravity during the collision between the acrobat and the monkey. Questions are raised about the assumptions regarding the time of the collision and the implications for gravitational potential energy changes.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the conditions under which momentum can be considered conserved during the collision. Some have noted that the collision occurs over a very short time interval, suggesting that gravity does not perform significant work during this period.

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There is a focus on the assumptions made regarding the time scale of the collision and the effects of gravity, which may not be fully resolved in the current discussion.

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Homework Statement


A circus acrobat of mass ##M## leaps straight up with initial velocity ##v_0## from the trampoline. As he rises up, he takes a trained monkey of mass ##m## off a perch at a height ##h## above the trampoline. What is the maximum height attained by the pair?

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This is a pretty simple problem. All we do is derive a new initial velocity from the conservation of momentum, and then calculate the h that results when the masses are combined. However, I am wondering why using the conservation of momentum is justified, since the system is not isolated because there is gravity acting in the y-direction. Thus, why can I use the conservation of momentum in the y-direction when the man and monkey collide?
 
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What is the assumption that is made for the time it takes for a collision to occur? What change in gravitational PE is expected over that time interval?
 
gneill said:
What is the assumption that is made for the time it takes for a collision to occur? What change in gravitational PE is expected over that time interval?
Ah, okay. So in the very small limit of the time of collision momentum is conserved.
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
Ah, okay. So in the very small limit of the time of collision momentum is conserved.
Right. In particular, it occurs in a small enough time interval that there is no work done by gravity during the process as the objects don't move (noticeably) higher or lower in the gravitational field.
 

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