Action of an anti-difference operator

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The discussion revolves around the application of an anti-difference operator on the product of two discrete functions, specifically exploring how to express this operation mathematically. The context is primarily within discrete calculus.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the method to perform an anti-difference operator on the product of two functions, represented as D^{-1}(f_{n} g_{n}).
  • One participant suggests that there is no standard formula for finding the antiderivative of the product of two functions, referencing integration by parts as a potential approach.
  • Another participant clarifies that the discussion pertains to discrete calculus, where the forward difference operator D is defined as Df_{n} = f_{n+1} - f_{n} and questions how the anti-difference operator acts on the product of discrete functions.
  • It is proposed that the anti-difference operator can be understood as a summation operator.
  • A participant suggests that in the special case where g(n) = Δh(n), a formula can be derived, drawing an analogy to summation by parts and providing a detailed mathematical expression involving discrete functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence of a general formula for the anti-difference operator applied to the product of two functions. Some agree that no standard formula exists, while others propose specific cases and mathematical expressions that could apply.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the generalizability of formulas for the anti-difference operator, particularly in the context of discrete functions. The reliance on specific cases and the need for careful mathematical derivation are noted.

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hi, i want to ask you that how to perform an anti-difference operator on the product of two functions? i.e.
D^{-1}(f_{n} g_{n})
 
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flower321 said:
hi, i want to ask you that how to perform an anti-difference operator on the product of two functions? i.e.
D^{-1}(f_{n} g_{n})

What do you mean, find the antiderivative of a function ## (fg)(x) ##? There is no standard formula for this, but you might want to google: integration by parts.
 
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Math_QED said:
What do you mean, find the antiderivative of a function ## (fg)(x) ##? There is no standard formula for this, but you might want to google: integration by parts.
no this is not a usual calculas, this is discrete calculus, i.e. Df_{n} = f_{n+1}-f_{n}, where D is the forward difference operator, then how an anti-difference act on the product of two discrete functions?
 
An anti-difference operator is a sum (operator).
 
Svein said:
An anti-difference operator is a sum (operator).
ok, if it is a sum operator then how it is act?
 
flower321 said:
hi, i want to ask you that how to perform an anti-difference operator on the product of two functions? i.e.
D^{-1}(f_{n} g_{n})

As math_QED said, there is no general formula.

In the special case where ##g(n) = \triangle h(n) ## we can derive a formula. I suspect it is just a special case of the formula for "summation by parts".

Integration by parts is derived from the formula for differentiating a product.

By analogy, try:

##\triangle (f(k) h(k)) = f(k+1) h(k+1) - f(k) h(k) ##
## = f(k+1) h(k+1) - f(k)h(k+1) + f(k)h(k+1) - f(k) h(k) ##
##= h(k+1)\triangle f(k) + f(k)\triangle h(k)##

##f(k) \triangle h(k) = \triangle (f(k) h(k)) - h(k+1) \triangle f(k) ##

## \triangle^{-1} ( f(k) \triangle h(k) ) = \triangle^{-1} \triangle ( f(k) h(k)) - \triangle^{-1} ( h(k+1)\triangle f(k) ) ##
## \triangle^{-1} ( f(k) \triangle h(k)) = f(k) h(k) - \triangle^{-1} ( h(k+1) \triangle f(k) ) ##So if ##g(k) = \triangle h(k) ##

##\triangle^{-1} ( f(k) g(k) ) = f(k) h(k) - \triangle^{-1} ( h(k+1) \triangle f(k) ) ##
 

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