Actual truck speed (geometric optics)

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The discussion revolves around a related rates problem in the context of geometric optics, specifically involving the differentiation of a function related to truck speed. Participants are examining the steps involved in taking derivatives and applying calculus concepts such as the chain rule and quotient rule.

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the differentiation process, particularly how to apply the quotient rule to a given expression. Questions are raised about specific steps in the derivative calculation and the interpretation of the results.

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Some participants have provided hints and references to calculus rules, while others express uncertainty about their calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the derivative process, with no clear consensus on the correctness of the derived expressions yet.

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http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/5753/98144291.jpg

this is the solution found in the solution manual,

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/6536/67143924.jpg

I didn't understand the part of taking the derivative part, that is how does this http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/8125/87467649.jpg turn into this http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7905/82136997.jpg

please explain carefully
 
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This is an example of a "related rates" problem that could be given in 1st-semester calculus.

The chain rule from calculus tells us that
\frac{ds'}{dt} = \frac{ds'}{ds} \ \frac{ds}{dt}​
You can work out for yourself what ds'/ds is, and take it from there.
 
i really don't know how to do that. i'll be very appreciated if you help me with this
 
Well, you do need to have taken calculus in order to understand this solution. It uses the quotient rule for taking derivatives, which is explained here if you need a review of it:


So, we have an expression for s' in terms of s:
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/8125/87467649.jpg​
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Take the derivative of the right-hand-side of the equation, with respect to s. (f is a constant here.) Remember, you need to use the quotient rule to take the derivative here.
 
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if i take the derivative of this I'll have -fs/(s-f)^2.

what soul i do after that
 
Aafour said:
if i take the derivative of this I'll have -fs/(s-f)^2.
That doesn't look right. Can you show your work in how you got that result?

p.s. I'm not sure how familiar you are with our forums, so I'll just mention the following. Our philosophy is for students to do the majority of the work in solving problems, with hints and guidance from the "helpers" like me. We believe this approach makes the student think more and learn the material better.

Just in case you're wondering why I'm not working out the steps for you, that is why :smile:
 
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If it helps, I can review what to do with the formula from the wikipedia article at http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/a/c/e/acedbab55b97d9c1bb42c57302faea9a.png

To take the derivative of a function g(s) / h(s), the formula is

\frac{g'(s)h(s) - g(s)h'(s)}{[h(s)]^2}

We have

g(s) = fs
h(s) = (s-f)​

so you'll need to figure out what g'(s) and h'(s) are, then plug into the formula.
 

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