Adding Spheres: How to find the new radius?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the new radius when combining multiple identical spheres, specifically addressing the differences in results obtained from volume and surface area calculations. Participants explore the principles of additivity in volume versus surface area in the context of physical coalescence of spheres.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation for the new radius based on volume, concluding it to be twice the radius of an individual drop.
  • Another participant asserts that surface area is not additive, providing an analogy with rectangular prisms to illustrate this point.
  • A participant emphasizes that volume is additive and that mass conservation implies the volume increases proportionally with mass.
  • Another participant references Bergmann's rule to highlight that surface area does not grow proportionately to volume.
  • A participant suggests deriving the new radius by adding the volumes of the individual spheres.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that volume is additive, while there is contention regarding the additivity of surface area. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these principles on the calculations presented.

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Participants express uncertainty about the calculations related to surface area and its implications for determining the new radius. There are also assumptions regarding the conservation of mass and the constancy of density that are not explicitly detailed.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in fluid dynamics, physics of coalescence, or those studying the mathematical relationships between volume and surface area in geometric contexts.

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Okay this seems like a really simple question. Basically I'm adding together 8 spheres (like raindrops coalescing into one bigger drop) and I'm getting two different answers for the new radius.

Each individual drop is identical.

I start by expressing the new volume in terms of the individual drops' radii, and then the new radius. The individual drops' radii are R.


Volume = (4/3)∏(R)^3 * 8 = (4/3)pi(Rf)^3

I work it all out and find that the new radius is 2 times the radius of an individual drop. This is true according to a solution given.

But when I try this with surface area...

S.A. = 4∏(R)^2 * 8 = 4∏(Rf)^2

4∏ cancels,
then the new radius comes out as R*2*√(2)

What am I missing here? Is Surface area not additive, or am I making some calculation error?
 
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Surface area is not additive. Imagine if you took two rectangular prisms and joined them together at a common side: each rectangular prism has lost a side to the interior of the combined object, so the surface area is NOT double the surface area of an individual block. The case with the spheres is similar. The volume should be additive, however. The reason is that, thinking physically, the mass of all the spheres is conserved, so unless the density were to change during the process of joining the droplets together, the volume increases by the same factor as the increase in mass.
 
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Oh, okay that makes sense. How did I make it this far? lol Thanks for the help!
 
Two raindrops, each of radius r, have volume [itex](4/3)\pi r^3[/itex] each. If they "coalesce", because mass is conserved, and the density of water is a constant, the volume will be [itex](8/3)\pi r^3[/itex]. Solve [itex](4/3)\pi R^3= (8/3)\pi r^3[/itex] for the new radius, R.
 
Surface area doesn't grow proportionately to volume, hence Bergmann's rule.
 
Volume is additive. Add the volumes and derive the radius.
 

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