Additional models to Poisson-Boltzmann equation?

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The discussion revolves around the Poisson-Boltzmann equation and its relation to other models such as the Debye-Huckel approximation and the Stern layer. Participants explore the applicability of these models in different contexts, particularly in relation to ionic strengths and surface interactions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the existence of the Debye-Huckel approximation, which is applicable at low ionic strengths and in dilute solutions, and questions what other models exist beyond the Poisson-Boltzmann equation.
  • Another participant suggests that the Poisson-Boltzmann equation and the Debye-Huckel approximation serve different purposes, with the former focusing on phase interfaces and the latter on ions in bulk solutions.
  • A subsequent reply challenges this distinction, stating that the Poisson-Boltzmann equation is used to establish the Debye-Huckel approximation, indicating a connection between the two models.
  • A participant acknowledges a correction regarding their understanding of the relationship between the models.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the relationship between the Poisson-Boltzmann equation and the Debye-Huckel approximation, as participants express differing views on their applicability and context.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific contexts such as low ionic strengths and the role of the Stern layer, but these discussions are not fully resolved, and assumptions about the models' applicability remain unaddressed.

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I'm not sure my question belongs here or in the physics section

I'm aware that in addition to the poisson-boltzmann equation, there's also the Debye-Huckel approximation, which is used at low ionic strengths and dilute solutions. I also know that the Stern layer includes the finite size of ions and studies how surfaces are affected

However, what other models exist? And what other details about the Stern layer and Debye-Huckel approximation are important that I forgot to mention?
 
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e15 said:
in addition to the poisson-boltzmann equation, there's also the Debye-Huckel approximation

Isn't it apples and oranges? AFAIR PB is mostly about what happens at the phase interface, while DH describes ions in the bulk solution.
 
Borek said:
Isn't it apples and oranges? AFAIR PB is mostly about what happens at the phase interface, while DH describes ions in the bulk solution.
Not quite. The PB equation is used to set up Debye Hueckel. Instead of a charged interface you consider the charged surface of an ion.
 
I see. I stand corrected.

Not for the first, not for the last time o:)
 

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