Adjacent Transpositions of Permutations.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of adjacent transpositions in the context of permutations and cycles. Participants explore how to express a given permutation as a product of adjacent transpositions and clarify the definition and implications of such transpositions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the definition of adjacent transpositions and their relation to permutations.
  • Another participant defines an adjacent transposition as the transposition of two adjacent elements, providing an example.
  • A participant questions whether the permutation (34785) can be expressed as just (34) in terms of adjacent transpositions.
  • A later reply challenges this notion, explaining that (34785) involves multiple swaps and detailing the steps to express it as a product of adjacent transpositions.
  • Another participant presents an alternative way to express (34785) as a product of permutations, noting that some of the transpositions are not adjacent and providing a method to rewrite them.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the information shared, acknowledging their previous lack of understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the expression of (34785) as a product of adjacent transpositions, with differing views on the correct approach and representation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of adjacent transpositions and the methods used to express permutations, as well as the notation and order of operations in permutations.

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Hi,

Was wondering if anyone could explain to me what an adjacent transposition is (in relation to permutations, cycles etc).

I know what a transposition is, eg the product of transpositions for (34785) would be (35)(38)(37)(34).
I don't know what an adjacent transposition is though.

Cheers in advance.
 
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An "adjacent transoposition" is just the transposition of two adjacent elements. (23) is an "adjacent transposition" because 2 and 3 are right next to each other (adjacent).
 
Thanks, so if I was to express (34785) as the product of adjacent transpositions, would this just be (34) ?
 
anyone ?
 
Ad123q said:
Thanks, so if I was to express (34785) as the product of adjacent transpositions, would this just be (34) ?

No, of course, not. Why would you think it would reduce to just that? (34785) means "3 changes to 4, 4 changes to 7, 7 changes to 8, 8 changes to 5, and 5 changes back to 3". It is a shorthand for the permutation (12345678)->(12473685). Probably the simplest is just to work from left to right: 1 and 2 are fixed so swap 3 and 4 to get (12435678). Now I need to work that "5" back to the last position so use
1) (56) to get (12436578)
2) (57) to get (12436758)
3) (58) to get (12436785)

Now (67) is obvious. It gives (12437685). And finally, (37) gives (12473685), the final result. That is, (34785) is given by (34)(56)(57)(58)(67)(37).
 
Writing a cycle as a product of permutations is easy:

(34785) = (34)(47)(78)(85)

But (47) and (85)( =(58) ) are not adjacent, so we rewrite them as:

(47) = [(56)(45)]-1(67)[(56)(45)] = [(45)(56)](67)[(56)(45)]
(58) = [(67)(56)]-1(78)[(67)(56)] = [(56)(67)](78)[(67)(56)]

(Make a drawing to see why this works)

So:

(34785) = (34)(45)(56)(67)(56)(45)(78)(56)(67)(78)(67)(56)

Note: You "follow the permutation" from right to left, in the notation that I use.
 
ah, thanks.

Apologies for my ignorance ;)
 

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