Adjoint representation of SU(3)

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The discussion focuses on proving the commutation relation [Ta, Tb] = ifabcTc for the adjoint representation of SU(3). The user generated three 8x8 matrices (T1, T2, T3) based on the structure constants fabc, but encountered issues with nilpotent generators, which should be invertible. The conversation highlights the importance of the Gell-Mann matrices and the Jacobi identities in constructing the correct generators for SU(3).

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Not sure if this is the correct forum but here goes.

I am trying to prove [Ta,Tb] = ifabcTc

Where (Ta)bc = -ifabc and fabcare the structure constants for SU(3).

I picked f123 and generated the three 8 x 8 matrices .. T1, T2 and T3.
The matrices components are all 0 except for,

(T1)23 = -i
(T(1)47 = -i/2
(T1)56 = i/2

(T2)46 = -i/2
(T2)57 = -i/2

(T3)45 = -i/2
(T3)67= i/2

When I compute [T1,T2] I get 0. What am I missing?
 
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All your generators ##T^i## seem to be nilpotent which can't be. They have to be regular, i.e. invertible.
 
Yes, so how does one build the correct generators? This worked fine for SU(2) so something else is missing. I suspect the Jacobi identities play a role but I'm not sure how to proceed. Thanks
 
Have a look on the Gell-Mann matrices: (try ##\lim_{t→0} \exp(t \lambda_i)##, or simply ##1+\lambda_i##)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_matrices

Remember that the adjoint representation ##Ad## is a group homomorphism ##SU(3) \longrightarrow GL(\mathfrak{su}(3))## with ##Ad(\exp(\lambda_i)) = \exp(ad (\lambda_i)).##
 
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Thanks. I am familiar with the G-M matrices. I am after the 8 x 8 adjoint versions of the generators. I think I am making progress. When I add indeces:

(T1)32,
(T1)74,
(T1)65,

(T2)64,
(T2)75,

(T3)54,
(T3)76,

into the mix I almost get the right answer. I am wondering if interchanging the second and third indeces changes the sign of the constant.

Forgive me if I am making this hard work but I no expert in GT.
 
Adjoint representation of SU(3) has 8 matrices, not 3.
 

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