Age Difference in Earth Orbit Around Another Star

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of gravitational orbit and relativistic speeds on the aging process of individuals on Earth if it were to orbit another star with a different orbital period. Participants explore the implications of special and general relativity on aging rates in this hypothetical scenario.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the aging rate would be the same for individuals on Earth and those on a clone of Earth orbiting another star, arguing that relativistic effects are negligible.
  • Others suggest that the aging rate could depend on whether the Earth is orbiting faster or slower, indicating that relativistic effects might still play a role, albeit small.
  • A participant questions the relevance of astronomy to aging, suggesting that biological processes and free radicals are more significant factors in aging.
  • Another participant mentions that while relativistic effects could theoretically influence aging, the practical differences would be minimal and likely imperceptible over a lifetime.
  • There is a reference to the twin paradox as a related concept, highlighting the complexities of aging in different relativistic contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of relativistic effects on aging, with some asserting that these effects are negligible while others believe they could have some influence. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the significance of these relativistic effects in the context of aging.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the relativistic effects discussed are minimal and may not lead to noticeable differences in aging unless compared directly. There is also a lack of mathematical analysis to quantify these effects in the proposed scenarios.

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If we were to take the present Earth and set it into gravitational orbit around another star revolving at a rate of once every 92 Earth days, would the people in that orbit age faster, slower or at the same rate as those in the current Earth's orbit?
 
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It would depend on if the Earth is orbiting slower or faster around the other sun. The relativistic effects would be pretty small though.
 
complexPHILOSOPHY said:
If we were to take the present Earth and set it into gravitational orbit around another star revolving at a rate of once every 92 Earth days, would the people in that orbit age faster, slower or at the same rate as those in the current Earth's orbit?

The same rate. (Relativistic effects are completely negligible.)
 
dav2008 said:
It would depend on if the Earth is orbiting slower or faster around the other sun. The relativistic effects would be pretty small though.

Let me phrase my question. If we were to clone a copy of the Earth and set it into orbit around another star whose gravitational force caused the Earth Clone to revolve at a rate of once every 92 days (Original Earth revolves = 365 days; Earth Clone revolves = 92 Days) would the average rate of aging on the Earth Clone compare or contrast to the aging rate on the Original Earth?
 
EL said:
The same rate. (Relativistic effects are completely negligible.)

Okay, that's what made the most logical sense to me.
 
This is the first thread I've ever seen that has more replies (4) than it does views (3).
 
complexPHILOSOPHY said:
Let me phrase my question. If we were to clone a copy of the Earth and set it into orbit around another star whose gravitational force caused the Earth Clone to revolve at a rate of once every 92 days (Original Earth revolves = 365 days; Earth Clone revolves = 92 Days) would the average rate of aging on the Earth Clone compare or contrast to the aging rate on the Original Earth?

Let me ask you a question: Why would people age faster or slower just because they happen to live on the other planet?
(Okay, in principle there may be small relativistic effects, but I guess that'll be something like seconds over a lifetime...that is completely negligible.)
 
i didnt think that astronomy had anything to do with peoples aging. i thought it was the oxygen after it had been used in the body (dont know what they are called in english) (maybe free radicals (i don't know)) that aged the body.
 
Jarle said:
i didnt think that astronomy had anything to do with peoples aging. i thought it was the oxygen after it had been used in the body (dont know what they are called in english) (maybe free radicals (i don't know)) that aged the body.

Well, after all your body is made of electrons and neutrons, and all other elemntary particles, and these particles are afected by the relativistic effect!

For example the twin paradox, it has something to do with aging.
 
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Jarle said:
i didnt think that astronomy had anything to do with peoples aging. i thought it was the oxygen after it had been used in the body (dont know what they are called in english) (maybe free radicals (i don't know)) that aged the body.

All those biological processes constitute a kind of clock, and clock rates are affected by relative speeds in special relativity and by gravity differences in general relativity.
 
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Note that even if there was a relativistic difference (I'm not doing the math on this but the speeds are so low that I'd say it's negligible in this example), the 2 subjects would notice no difference in their lifespan unless they tried to compare their aging to the other person (i.e., each would feel the passage of time 'normally').
 

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