Air Horn Physics: Calculating Size, Length & More for Musical Chords

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the physics of air horns, specifically focusing on designing a series of air horns that can produce musical notes. Participants explore the relationship between the physical dimensions of the horns and the frequencies they produce, including considerations for the shape of the bell and the diaphragm used in the design.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks equations to calculate the total length of an air horn based on desired frequency, emphasizing the need for a specific base dimension while varying length to change pitch.
  • Another participant notes that the fundamental frequency is primarily determined by the tube length, while the flare at the end serves mainly for amplification.
  • There is a suggestion that pipe organs and air horns share similarities, with a reference to a document discussing the mathematics of pipe organ sound.
  • Concerns are raised about the adequacy of simple physics explanations, with a recommendation to consult a resource on horn theory, although it is noted that it may not align perfectly with the air horn design.
  • A participant expresses a desire to understand how to calculate the natural frequency of a horn from its dimensions, drawing parallels to the operation of a trombone.
  • Another participant compares the characteristics of air horns to specific types of pipe organ sounds, particularly highlighting the differences in tapering and harmonic overtones.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the complexity of the physics involved in air horn design. While some agree on the importance of tube length and bell shape, there is no consensus on the best methods or equations to use for calculations, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations in the existing resources and the need for specific calculations related to the design of air horns, indicating potential gaps in the available information.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in acoustics, musical instrument design, or the physics of sound production may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi. I am new to this forum and would like to get some information on the physics of an air horn. I am trying to design a series of air horns that each play a musical note. The problem I'm running into is what size to make each trumpet in order to produce a specific note. I know that frequency is related to length and width but I can't find an equation to use. The horns work pneumatically by a vibrating diaphragm. Ideally I'd like to use one specific dimension for the base of the bell and just vary the length to change the pitch.

I am looking for the following info:
-Calculating the total length of a horn from frequency
-The best shape of bell to use for a horn for harmonics (equation for the exponential horn bell)
-Calculating the size based on a 5" diaphragm
-other factors that I should take into consideration

The purpose of this project is to create a line of locomotive horns that play musical chords. Each set of horns will include 3-5 trumpets and must produce 96-110dB at 100ft.

Thanks for your help on this. :)
 
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The physics is not simple ... though the fundamental is mainly to do with the tube length. The flair at the end is mainly for amplification.
The specifics of the shape give you the type of sound.
 
Simon Bridge said:
The physics is not simple ... though the fundamental is mainly to do with the tube length. The flair at the end is mainly for amplification.
The specifics of the shape give you the type of sound.

Or perhaps the simple physics isn't close enough to right?

Try this:

https://www.grc.com/acoustics/an-introduction-to-horn-theory.pdf

But you may not like it!
 
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mike.Albert99 said:
Or perhaps the simple physics isn't close enough to right?

Try this:

https://www.grc.com/acoustics/an-introduction-to-horn-theory.pdf

But you may not like it!

This PDF seems to be more of an speaker horn rather than a brass instrument. I need to figure out how to calculate the natural frequency of a horn from the dimensions. These air horns operate on basically the same principle as a trombone except with a diaphragm producing the vibration.
 
Grant, did you find the information you needed? I would love to know how your project is going. This idea has been a decades-long interest of mine.
 
anorlunda said:
I think pipe organs and air horns are pretty much alike.
I think the Vox Humana pipe in an organ is the most like an air horn. A reed is used at the end of a pipe. But the pipes are not tapered so they don't have a wide band match, like a tapered horn and the higher harmonics / overtones are not as pronounced as with an air horn.
 

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