Airplanes that fly a few feet above the surface of the sea

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The discussion revolves around the development and principles of airplanes that fly just above the surface of the sea, specifically focusing on the concept of ekranoplans and their efficiency, applications in warfare, and the physics of ground effect. The scope includes theoretical explanations, practical applications, and historical references.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the current development of airplanes that utilize ground effect for increased lift.
  • Links to resources on ekranoplans and WIG-craft are shared, indicating ongoing interest and potential developments.
  • One participant mentions the Russian cargo plane and suggests the potential for missiles designed for marine warfare, highlighting advantages such as fuel savings and evasion of detection.
  • Another participant describes the Caspian Sea Monster, a large Russian ekranoplan, noting its capabilities and historical significance.
  • Questions are raised about the mechanics of ground effect, with explanations provided regarding how low altitude flying increases lift through trapped air and vortex systems around the wings.
  • Technical details are discussed regarding the aerodynamic principles of lift generation and the classification of WIG vehicles as ships rather than aircraft.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the development and application of ekranoplans and ground effect vehicles, with no consensus reached on the current state of technology or its future potential.

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Some claims about the efficiency and control challenges of WIG vehicles remain unverified, and the discussion includes references to historical examples without definitive conclusions about their current relevance.

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Is anyone still developing the airplanes that fly a few feet above the surface of the sea to get increased lift?
 
Engineering news on Phys.org
http://www.aanet.ru/iiaat/main_cvpn.shtml
HTHL aerospace planes; statement of the efficiency of modern generation of ekranoplanes (WIG-craft) with more perfect means of automatic control; the concept of ekranoplane use for aerospace plane launch and landing (has been developed together with Japanese colleagues); the concept of ekranoplane "Spasatel" construction finishing.
I'm not sure if any of these craft are in construction, or if they are
economical, but I'm sure i have read that hobbyists are building
small scale ones
 
I heard about the Russian cargo plane.
How about missiles - short and medium range for marine
warfare, any of those out there ?

Would seem like a great idea - saving fuel and partially
evading detection and countermeasures.

Live long and prosper.
 
http://www.se-technology.com/wig/html/main.php?open=listallcraft&code=0&first=e
this is the best site i can find, lots of WIGs, some are
just concepts.
 
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drag said:
I heard about the Russian cargo plane.
How about missiles - short and medium range for marine
warfare, any of those out there ?

Would seem like a great idea - saving fuel and partially
evading detection and countermeasures.
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The russians being as fantastic as they are produced a huge ekranoplan called the Caspian Sea Monster, covered in all sorts of weaponry. Had a range far greater than any ship and could go across sand dunes and low level land. There's video footage of it out there. Truely amazing to see

Also, there are a few light passenger ekranoplans on sale in america but of course they can't make them as well as the russians could!
 
How is it that flying at such a low altitude increases lift?
 
enigma said:
How is it that flying at such a low altitude increases lift?

Is called "ground effect" or "flare". It can be understood as a pocket of air trapped underneath the aircraft, although the situation is slightly more complicated than that.
 
Wing in Ground Effect

Them easy explanation of ground effect is to be found in how a wing actually produces lift. When one uses a Langrangian coordinate system to look at the flow around the wing you will detect that the air actually circulates around the wing. So a vortex system exist around the wing across the entire length of the wing. At the wing tip the vortx is shed a 90 deg angle giving rise to the term: "horse-shoe vortex". If we look at the plan view of the aircraft the vortex system would approximate a horse-shoe. When the vortex is shed from the wing tip it does work on the wing, which is to say that the vortex is applying a force on the wing. This force can be and is used in modern airliners. The winglets at the tip of the wing of a Boeing 747 is at an angle which is calculated in such a way that when the vortex applies force to the wing during shedding the force is transimitted through the wing structure in such a way that a component of that force is in the same direction than the direction of the thrust vector, therefore adding to the thrust of the aircraft (remember this is energy that would have been to lost to elastic deformation in the wing so no magic here). This same vortex system is resposiable for ground effect. When the wing is close enough to the ground the vortex cannot shed in the normal way and a force is exerted on the underside of the wing resulting in a addition to the lift force. A aircraft using ground effect is very, very efficient but there are severe problems with control and stability and off course the sheer size of the airplane is also a major design challenge. One more trivial fact, WIG vehicles are actually classified as ships and not aircraft.
 

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