Algebra and Calculus in three dimensions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of setting up integrals in three dimensions, particularly in the context of Coulomb's law and electric fields. Participants explore the need for better understanding of algebra, geometry, and multivariable calculus to address these challenges, without seeking direct solutions to specific problems.

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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in setting up three-dimensional integrals related to Coulomb's law and seeks resources for improving their understanding of geometry and multivariable calculus.
  • Another participant suggests using Gauss' Theorem or Newton's Shell Theorem as traditional approaches to the problem, though the original poster is not looking for solutions.
  • A participant questions the original poster's background in calculus and familiarity with coordinate systems to better tailor recommendations for learning resources.
  • One participant recommends the book "Div, Grad, Curl and all that" by Schey as a valuable resource for those studying electromagnetism.
  • The original poster clarifies their background in various mathematical subjects but emphasizes their struggle specifically with setting up integrals in three dimensions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of a solid foundation in geometry and multivariable calculus for tackling three-dimensional problems, but there is no consensus on the best approach or resources to achieve this understanding.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the original poster's experience with vector calculus and the challenges of applying theoretical knowledge to practical problems in physics.

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Hi

I have realized that I am horrible at setting up integrals in three dimensions when working with Coulomb's law (F = k q*∫r-2dq ). I don't have the vaguest idea how I can solve this using it and the superposition principle:
An electric charge +Q is distributed with a p(r) which does not depend on θ or ϕ throughout the volume of a sphere of radius R; i.e., it is spherically symmetric. Find the force it produces on an electron (charge -e) located at an outside point r meters from the center of the sphere. Let i point from the origin, at the center of the sphere, to the electron.

I am not asking for a solution to this exercise. I want a good books that can teach me algebra and geometry in three dimensions (a lot of books seem to teach trigonometry in two dimensions and just give you the three dimensional equations without explaining them). If the book also has some multivariable and vector calculus, that will be even better.
 
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Use Gauss' Theorem is the traditional approach ... unless you are very traditional, then you can use Newton's "Shell Theorem" from gravitational theory.
 
Like I wrote in my earlier post; I am not looking for a solution to that particular exercise. I just need to become better with geometry and multivariable calculus. I do not have much problem with problems in two dimensions, but setting up integrals in three dimensions dimensions is something I am struggling too much with.
 
The problem you wrote is essentially one-dimensional. Have you taken a course on single-variable calculus? Are you familiar with different coordinate systems? What E&M textbook are you using?

It's hard to recommend something if we do not know what level you are at.
 
Mmm_Pasta said:
The problem you wrote is essentially one-dimensional. Have you taken a course on single-variable calculus? Are you familiar with different coordinate systems? What E&M textbook are you using?

It's hard to recommend something if we do not know what level you are at.

Yes, I have taken both single and multivariable calculus (there was too little vector calculus in that course). I have also taken real and complex analysis, abstract algebra and linear algebra.

The thing I am struggling most with happens to be what I need most in physics (I regret I didn't go for programming instead of physics).

My example was obviously a bad one considering it can be solved using Gauss's theorem, but the point was that I struggle with setting up integrals for problems in three dimensions (distances between a point and any point on a sphere and the like). I have no problems solving them when I have set them up.
 

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