Algebra inequalities and exponents

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The discussion revolves around solving algebraic inequalities and exponential equations. Participants seek guidance on specific problems involving inequalities and exponents, expressing confusion about their approaches and the underlying concepts.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an inequality, 2x + 5 < x - 1/4, and attempts to solve it using two different methods, arriving at conflicting results.
  • Another participant points out the importance of using brackets or LaTeX for clarity and questions the interpretation of the inequality.
  • There is ambiguity regarding the second equation, 4^{2n-3} = 16, with participants discussing whether it should be interpreted as 4^{2n} - 3 = 16 or 4^{2n-3} = 16.
  • Some participants express confusion about how to derive the equation 2n - 3 = 2 from the exponential equation.
  • One participant attempts to clarify the reasoning behind the exponential equation, suggesting that if 4^{2n-3} = 16, then 2n - 3 must equal 2.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the base must be the same on both sides of the equation when solving exponential equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express confusion and uncertainty about the problems presented, with no clear consensus on the correct methods or interpretations. Multiple competing views and interpretations of the equations remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of clarity in the original equations due to missing brackets and the potential for misinterpretation. There is also mention of the need for proper notation to avoid confusion in mathematical expressions.

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This discussion may be useful for students struggling with algebraic inequalities and exponential equations, particularly those seeking clarification on solving methods and notation.

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I have been stuck on two question for sometime, and would appreciate some guidance to where I am going wrong. Here are the two questions I seem to have trouble understanding.

1. 2x+5 < x-1/4
I have had numerous attempts at this equation and seem to get the answer wrong each time. The book says the ans= - 3. Here a the two methods I have tried to get the correct answer:

first attempt: 2x+5 < x-1/4 = 2x-x > -1 -5 / 4 = x > -6 / 4

second attempt: 2x+5 < x-1/4 = 4(2x+5) < 4(x-1/4) = 8x+20 < 4x - 4/4 = 8x+20= x

8x-x+20=0 = 8x-x= 20 which I then simplify to x = 20/7. As you can properly tell I am not getting the right answer could some please set me straight.

2. 4^2n-3= 16
This question I would apprectiate if someone could show how to work this out, as I seem to have no idea where to start. I would normally try and find something related to it on Google but have had no such luck. I don't really know where to look. Is there a specific name for the type of equation?
 
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Taylor_1989 said:
I have been stuck on two question for sometime, and would appreciate some guidance to where I am going wrong. Here are the two questions I seem to have trouble understanding.

1. 2x+5 < x-1/4
I have had numerous attempts at this equation and seem to get the answer wrong each time. The book says the ans= - 3. Here a the two methods I have tried to get the correct answer:

first attempt: 2x+5 < x-1/4 = 2x-x > -1 -5 / 4 = x > -6 / 4

second attempt: 2x+5 < x-1/4 = 4(2x+5) < 4(x-1/4) = 8x+20 < 4x - 4/4 = 8x+20= x

8x-x+20=0 = 8x-x= 20 which I then simplify to x = 20/7. As you can properly tell I am not getting the right answer could some please set me straight.

2. 4^2n-3= 16
This question I would apprectiate if someone could show how to work this out, as I seem to have no idea where to start. I would normally try and find something related to it on Google but have had no such luck. I don't really know where to look. Is there a specific name for the type of equation?

2x+5<x-1/4
x<-20/4-1/4
x<-21/4

4(2x+5)<4(x-1/4)
8x -4x < -20-1
 
Your lack of brackets or LaTeX is both annoying and confusing.

For your first question, the answer [itex]x < -3[/itex] only comes about if the equation is [itex]2x + 5 < \frac{x-1}{4}[/itex], so I'm assuming that's what it is. From your working, it's a bit confusing as to what equation you're trying to solve. Rewriting your working with brackets/LaTeX would make everything a lot clearer for us to understand.

Again, with your second question, it's ambiguous. Do you mean [itex]4^{2n} - 3= 16[/itex] pr [itex]4^{2n-3} = 16[/itex]?

If it's [itex]4^{2n-3} = 16[/itex], then that's easy to solve.

[itex]4^{2n-3} = 16[/itex] and [itex]4^2 = 16[/itex], then [itex]2n-3=2[/itex].

If you meant [itex]4^{2n} - 3= 16[/itex], then that's a bit more complicated, have you used logarithms before?
 
acabus said:
Your lack of brackets or LaTeX is both annoying and confusing.

For your first question, the answer [itex]x < -3[/itex] only comes about if the equation is [itex]2x + 5 < \frac{x-1}{4}[/itex], so I'm assuming that's what it is. From your working, it's a bit confusing as to what equation you're trying to solve. Rewriting your working with brackets/LaTeX would make everything a lot clearer for us to understand.

Again, with your second question, it's ambiguous. Do you mean [itex]4^{2n} - 3= 16[/itex] pr [itex]4^{2n-3} = 16[/itex]?

If it's [itex]4^{2n-3} = 16[/itex], then that's easy to solve.

[itex]4^{2n-3} = 16[/itex] and [itex]4^2 = 16[/itex], then [itex]2n-3=2[/itex].

If you meant [itex]4^{2n} - 3= 16[/itex], then that's a bit more complicated, have you used logarithms before?

I will give it another go, the reason why I haven't put latex in is because I am having trouble with my browser, seems to screw it up. I do apologize and appreciate the help.
 
Here is my working out with the correct latex; hopefully.


First attempt:
2x + 5 < [itex]\frac{x-1}{4}[/itex] [itex]\rightarrow[/itex] x + 5 < [itex]\frac{-1}{4}[/itex] [itex]\rightarrow[/itex]

x < [itex]\frac{-6}{4}[/itex]

I only put the first attemp in because I think my second is completely wrong. I would like to know how this equations works out to be x = -3

The second equation is: 42n-3= 16. I don't understand where you get the 2n-3=2. How did you come to this answer, I understand if you simplify the equation you get, 2.5 which is the answer, but I don't understand where you go the equation from. Could you explain it in a step by step.
 
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Taylor_1989 said:
Here is my working out with the correct latex; hopefully.First attempt:
[itex]2x + 5 < \frac{x-1}{4} \rightarrow x + 5 < \frac{-1}{4} \rightarrow x < \frac{-6}{4}[/itex]

I only put the first attemp in because I think my second is completely wrong. I would like to know how this equations works out to be x = -3

The second equation is: [itex]4^{2n-3} = 16[/itex]. I don't understand where you get the 2n-3=2. How did you come to this answer, I understand if you simplify the equation you get, 2.5 which is the answer, but I don't understand where you go the equation from. Could you explain it in a step by step.

For the first equation, your first step is wrong. Where you've attempted to subtract [itex]x[/itex] from both sides, you've actually subtracted [itex]x[/itex] from the left side, but only [itex]\frac{x}{4}[/itex] from the left side. Adding, for example, 2 to a fraction, is not the same as adding 2 to the numerator of the fraction. In fact, your second attempt is almost right, except the final bit, the "[itex]=x[/itex]", I have no idea how you got to that. Redo it from [itex]8x+20 < \frac{4x-4}{4}[/itex].

For the second equation, you have that 4 to the power of something is 16, or: [itex]4^x = 16[/itex]. Is it not obvious from this what [itex]x[/itex] is equal to? What power do you have to put 4 to, to get 16?
 
Right now I am complete lost. Could you show me how you would workout both problems, so I have something visual to look at. It would be big help. I still can't see where the 2n-3=2 comes from. I understand that 4^2=16 but the 2n-3=2 how dose it fit into the equation?
 
Taylor_1989 said:
Right now I am complete lost. Could you show me how you would workout both problems, so I have something visual to look at. It would be big help. I still can't see where the 2n-3=2 comes from. I understand that 4^2=16 but the 2n-3=2 how dose it fit into the equation?
We are not allowed to provide complete solutions. For your question, you know that [itex]4^2 = 16.[/itex] We have [itex]4^{2n-3} = 16.[/itex] So for what value of n will we get 2 as the exponent?
 
CAF123 said:
We are not allowed to provide complete solutions. For your question, you know that [itex]4^2 = 16.[/itex] We have [itex]4^{2n-3} = 16.[/itex] So for what value of n will we get 2 as the exponent?

Sorry I did not know. I think I get what you are saying. Am I right is working it out like this:

4^(2n-3)=16 so 4^(2n-3)=4^2, in the way I look is the 4=4 so they cancel out and you are left with: 2n-3=2 simplified is 2.5. Am I on the right train of thought.
 
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I wouldn't describe the 4's as 'cancelling' out as such. In general, if we have [tex]a^x = a^y,[/tex] then [itex]x=y.[/itex] The base here, [itex]a[/itex] must be the same on both sides of the equation.
 
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I see where you are coming from now. Thank for the help. I will give another look at the first equation and see if I can post in a better way. Once aging thanks.
 
  • #12
I have now figured out the 1st equation. I don't know how I got that mixed up, some how I did. I would like to say thanks to everyone for there input.n
 

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