Algebraic Extensions, vector spaces

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The discussion revolves around the properties of algebraic extensions and vector spaces, specifically examining whether a subset S of an algebraic extension F over a field K can be shown to be a subfield under certain conditions, particularly when the characteristic of K is not 2.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that since F/K is algebraic, the span of {1, s, s², ...} is a field for any s in S, leading to the definition of E as the union of these spans.
  • It is noted that S is a vector space over K, which implies that (E, +) forms a group and that each nonzero element in S has an inverse.
  • A challenge is presented regarding the closure of multiplication in S, with a specific case where s₁s₂ = s + v for s₁, s₂, s in S and v in F, leading to uncertainty about how to show v is in S.
  • Another participant suggests considering an expression involving (s₁ + s₂)² to aid in the proof.
  • A later reply acknowledges the insight gained from the hint regarding the characteristic of K, indicating a realization of its importance in the argument.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the closure of multiplication in S and do not reach a consensus on how to demonstrate it. Multiple approaches are suggested, but no definitive resolution is achieved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the characteristic of the field K and the assumptions regarding the properties of the elements in S, which remain unresolved.

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Suppose that F/K is an algebraic extension, S is a subset of F with S/K a vector space and [itex]s^n \in S[/itex] for all s in S. I want to show that if char(K) isn't 2, then S is a subfield of F.

Since F/K is algebraic, we know that [itex]\text{span} \lbrace 1,s,s^2,...\rbrace[/itex] is a field for any s in S. Thus, I want to define [itex]E= \bigcup _{s \in S} \text{span} \lbrace 1,s,s^2,...\rbrace[/itex]. Since S/K is a v.s., we have [itex]\text{span}\lbrace 1,s,s^2,...\rbrace \subseteq S[/itex] and since E is just a union of subsets of S, [itex]E \subset S[/itex]. Also, by the way we defined E, [itex]S \subseteq E[/itex] so E = S.

(E,+) is a group by the fact that S/K is a v.s. Each nonzero element has an inverse in S since [itex]\text{span} \lbrace 1,s,s^2,...\rbrace[/itex] is a field and each s belongs to one of those fileds (so that field would have the inverse of s).

The hard part seems to be proving closure of multiplication. Suppose that [itex]s_1 s_2 = s + v[/itex] for [itex]s_1,s_2,s\in S[/itex] and [itex]v\in F[/itex]. We have already shown that S contains all inverses, so [itex]s_2 = s_1^{-1} s + s_1^{-1} v \in S[/itex]. Whence, [itex]s_1^{-1} v \in S[/itex]. Obviously, I want to show that [itex]v\in S[/itex], but progress has stopped at this point.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
 
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Think about how you can get an expression involving [itex]s_1+s_2[/itex] and [itex]s_1s_2[/itex].
 
Since S is a v.s., we get [itex]s_1+s_2[/itex] by vector addition.

For [itex]s_1 s_2[/itex] you have to multiply two linear combos in S (whose basis must be a subset of the basis for F/K). If the product of two basis elements of S is again in S, then the product of any two elements of S would be in S.

However, I do not see how to show this.
 
I'm not sure how to phrase my hint differently, so I apologize if this is giving away too much: Consider [itex](s_1+s_2)^2[/itex].
 
Yay. That makes sense why char(K) can't be 2 then.

Thanks a lot... why couldn't I think of that.
 

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