Algebraic Topology - Fundamental Group and the Homomorphism induced by h

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the fundamental group in algebraic topology, specifically focusing on the behavior of continuous maps between topological spaces and how they relate to loops based at specific points. Participants explore the formal mechanics of how a loop in one space can be mapped to a loop in another space via a continuous function.

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  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the mapping of points under a continuous function and how this relates to loops, specifically questioning the sufficiency of knowing that a point is mapped from one space to another.
  • Another participant clarifies that a loop is defined as a continuous map from a circle into a space and that if a loop in X is preserved under a continuous map h, it will correspond to a loop in Y.
  • Continuity is emphasized as a crucial factor that ensures the mapping of loops from one space to another, provided the base point is preserved.

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Participants generally agree on the importance of continuity and base point preservation in the context of mapping loops between spaces. However, the initial confusion regarding the implications of the mapping remains unresolved.

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The discussion highlights the need for clarity on the properties of continuous functions and their effects on loops, particularly in terms of how points are mapped and the implications for the fundamental group.

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On page 333 in Section 52: The Fundamental Group (Topology by Munkres) Munkres writes: (see attachement giving Munkres pages 333-334)

"Suppose that h: X \rightarrow Y is a continuous map that carries the point x_0 of X to the point y_0 of Y.

We denote this fact by writing:

h: ( X, x_0) \rightarrow (Y, y_0)

If f is a loop in X based at x_0 , then the composite h \circ f : I \rightarrow Y is a loop in Y based at y_0"

I am confused as to how this works ... can someone help with the formal mechanics of this.

To illustrate my confusion, consider the following ( see my diagram and text in atttachment "Diagram ..." )


Consider a point i^' \in [0, 1] that is mapped by f into x^' i.e. f( i^{'} ) = x^'

Then we would imagine that i^' is mapped by h \circ f into some corresponding point y^' ( see my diagram and text in atttachment "Diagram ..." )


i.e. h \circ f (i^{'} ) = y^'

BUT

h \circ f (i^{'} ) = h(f(i^{'} )) = h(x^{'} )

But (see above) we only know of h that it maps x_0 into y_0? {seems to me that is not all we need to know about h?}

Can anyone please clarify this situation - preferably formally and explicitly?

Peter
 

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A loop is a continuous map from a circle into a space. If f is a loop in X and if h is continuous then hf is a continuous map from the circle into Y and is therefore a loop.

The fundamental group is constructed from loops that begin and end at a fixed given point, the so called base point. It h preserves base points then a loop at the base point in X will be mapped to a loop at the base point in Y.

One can consistently define where a loop,f, begins and ends by thinking of it as a map of the unit interval into a space whose value is the same at 0 and 1. Then by definition the loop begins and ends at f(0),
 
Thanks Lavinia

OK so after we are given that base point is preserved, it is continuity that ensures we have a loop in Y

Thanks again

Peter
 
Math Amateur said:
Thanks Lavinia

OK so after we are given that base point is preserved, it is continuity that ensures we have a loop in Y

Thanks again

Peter

right
 

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