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The discussion centers around evaluating the infinite radical expression $$\sqrt{1 + \sqrt{2 + \sqrt{4 + \sqrt{8 + \cdots}}}}$$. Participants explore its convergence and the possibility of finding a closed form solution, engaging in technical reasoning and analysis related to sequences and difference equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants indicate that the expression converges, while others express doubts about the existence of a closed form solution.
  • One participant describes a difference equation $$a_{n+1}= \sqrt{1+\sqrt{2 a_{n}}},\ a_{0}=1$$ as a method to approach the problem, suggesting it leads to a limit of approximately 1.68377.
  • Another participant points out an error in the recurrence relation proposed, suggesting it leads to a different expression that does not match the original infinite radical.
  • There is a mention of a fixed point in the sequence, with a later correction indicating a different value of approximately 1.93185 for the limit.
  • One participant computes the actual result to be around 1.783, indicating a potential discrepancy in the approaches discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct recurrence relation or the exact value of the limit, with multiple competing views and corrections presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the compatibility of the recurrence relations with the structure of the infinite radical, as well as differences in the computed limits based on various approaches.

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This question was posed by algorithmshark and not yet solved on math.stackexchange.com:

Evaluate the following infinite radical:

$$\sqrt{1 + \sqrt{2 + \sqrt{4 + \sqrt{8 + \cdots}}}}$$

He has posted some thoughts on his question: real analysis - Evaluating $\sqrt{1 + \sqrt{2 + \sqrt{4 + \sqrt{8 + \ldots}}}}$ - Mathematics

Various members (including myself) have shown this expression converges, and a few have expressed doubts about the existence of a closed form solution, but I was curious to see what the MHB community could come up with!

EDIT: huh! An analysis subforum popped into existence a few minutes ago. Can we move this there, please?

EDIT [Ackbach]: Your wish is my command.

EDIT: Thank you!
 
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This question was posed by algorithmshark and not yet solved on math.stackexchange.com:
He has posted some thoughts on his question: real analysis - Evaluating $\sqrt{1 + \sqrt{2 + \sqrt{4 + \sqrt{8 + \ldots}}}}$ - Mathematics

Various members (including myself) have shown this expression converges, and a few have expressed doubts about the existence of a closed form solution, but I was curious to see what the MHB community could come up with!

EDIT: huh! An analysis subforum popped into existence a few minutes ago. Can we move this there, please?

EDIT [Ackbach]: Your wish is my command.

The procedure described in...

http://www.mathhelpboards.com/f15/difference-equation-tutorial-draft-part-i-426/#post2492

... allows a comfortable solution of the problem. The expression $\displaystyle \sqrt{1+\sqrt{2 + \sqrt{4 +\sqrt{8+...}}}}$ seems to be the limit of the sequence solution of the difference equation...

$\displaystyle a_{n+1}= \sqrt{1+\sqrt{2\ a_{n}}},\ a_{0}=1$ (1)

The (1) can be written as...

$\displaystyle \Delta_{n}= a_{n+1}-a_{n} = \sqrt{1+\sqrt{2\ a_{n}}} - a_{n} = f(a_{n})$ (2)... and the function f(x) is illustrated here... https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/626._xfImport

There is only one 'attractive fixed point' in $\displaystyle x_{0} \sim 1.68377$ and pratically any initial value $a_{0}>0$ produce a sequence converging to $x_{0}$... Kind regards $\chi$ $\sigma$

As pointed out by IlikeSerena there is an error in (1) and the right solution is published in a successive post... sorry!...
 

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chisigma said:
$\displaystyle a_{n+1}= \sqrt{1+\sqrt{2\ a_{n}}},\ a_{0}=1$ (1)

Equation (1) doesn't seem to match with the sequence...
 
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The procedure described in...

http://www.mathhelpboards.com/f15/difference-equation-tutorial-draft-part-i-426/#post2492

... allows a comfortable solution of the problem. The expression $\displaystyle \sqrt{1+\sqrt{2 + \sqrt{4 +\sqrt{8+...}}}}$ is the limit of the sequence solution of the difference equation...

$\displaystyle a_{n+1}= \sqrt{1+\sqrt{2}\ a_{n}},\ a_{0}=1$ (1)

The (1) can be written as...

$\displaystyle \Delta_{n}= a_{n+1}-a_{n} = \sqrt{1+\sqrt{2}\ a_{n}} - a_{n} = f(a_{n})$ (2)... and the function f(x) is illustrated here...

https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/628._xfImportThere is only one 'attractive fixed point' in $\displaystyle x_{0}= \frac{1+\sqrt{3}}{\sqrt{2}} \sim 1.93185$ and pratically any initial value $a_{0}>0$ produce a sequence converging to $x_{0}$... Kind regards $\chi$ $\sigma$
 

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Good approach chisigma, though it doesn't work because your recurrence isn't correct. It seems to produce this:

$$\sqrt{1 + \sqrt{2 + \sqrt{8 + \sqrt{64 + \cdots}}}}$$

I think a similar attempt was made in the original thread, but people noted it didn't work because you couldn't make the recurrence compatible with both the doubling at each successive level and the square roots, since they don't cancel at the same rate. I could have calculated your recurrence incorrectly, though.

The actual result is around 1.783 (by computation)
 
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