All or certain types of beef linked to cancer and cow milk

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The discussion revolves around the potential health risks associated with the consumption of beef and cow milk, particularly concerning claims linking them to cancer. Participants explore various sources, studies, and opinions regarding the impact of hormones and antibiotics in livestock on human health, as well as the broader implications of red meat consumption.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern over claims made by a blogger regarding the cancer risk associated with conventional beef, questioning the credibility of the sources cited.
  • One participant requests a direct link to the Oxford University source mentioned in the article, emphasizing the need for original references in technical discussions.
  • Another participant highlights a 2009 discussion suggesting a potential link between estrogen-rich beef and hormone-dependent cancers, noting the need for further studies to clarify this relationship.
  • There are mentions of recommendations from the National Health Service regarding red meat consumption and its association with bowel cancer, advocating for moderation.
  • Some participants point out that recent research indicates a link between red meat consumption and colorectal cancer, while also noting stronger evidence for processed meats being more harmful.
  • One participant dismisses the dietary advice from the blogger, labeling it as nonsensical.
  • Another participant references studies suggesting that dairy products may be associated with a decreased risk of colorectal cancer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the claims regarding beef and cancer. Multiple competing views are presented, with some advocating for caution in red meat consumption while others challenge the credibility of the sources and claims made.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the reliance on potentially outdated studies and the need for more recent research to substantiate claims about the health impacts of beef and dairy consumption. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the evidence presented.

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Hi again and as always, I appreciate the responses. I had read a article on food babes website on fast food burger places and beef where the regular/conventional beef could give you cancer and she gives a source supposedly from oxford university and I eat regular beef now so that makes me very concerned. This is probably internet garbage/pseudo science/pseudo facts as someone had pointed out In a older thread of mine so I probably don't have anything to worry about However because of the claim on food babes website about beef linked to cancer, I don't want to risk ketching cancer from eating beef myself if its true. Here is the link to the food babe article I am talking about.>>> [link to internet garbage/pseudo science/ pseudo facts removed]

Also do the antibiotics and hormones injected into cows get into the body from drinking regular milk and if YES then can that be bad, harmful or unhealthy like many claims about milk across the internet? If yes then what does antibiotics and hormones do to the human body by drinking?
 
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timeuser84 said:
she gives a source supposedly from oxford university
Can you link that Oxford University source? I'm not finding it easily in the article. As you know, we require original references for technical discussions at the PF, not popular press articles based on them. Thanks.
 
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what year is it - yes 2017
What year is the link she supplies for a discussion on hormonal cancer - 2009
Is there nothing more recent to support her claim?

what does the discussion from the link say,
it is our intuitive feeling that the increasing consumption of estrogen-rich beef following steroid implantation might facilitate estrogen accumulation in the human body and could be related to the incidence of hormone-dependent cancers. Although further studies are required to determine the relation for cancer incidence, we should be more aware of dietary estrogen intake from beef following steroid implantation and give mature consideration for the hormonal usage to livestock in the 21st century.
Bold is mine.
Certainly something to follow up on.

FoodBabe does not help you out there at all, ie more recent studies to determine if there is a real association.
The one link does cast suspicion in the reader's mind, and the blog should not leave it at that.
Would one call that irresponsible?
 
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For info here is the advice given by the National Health Service in the UK...

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/red-meat-and-the-risk-of-bowel-cancer/

It recommends eating red meat in moderation because there is a link between eating large quantities of red meat and bowel cancer.

As I recall there have also been some studies linking over cooking/burnt meat to cancer, or at least to potentially cancer causing chemicals.

For the record I still eat red meat in moderation.

Edit: See also...

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/diet/cooked-meats-fact-sheet
 
Recent research has provided reasonably strong evidence for a link between consumption of red meat (mammalian muscle tissue) and colorectal cancer, though the magnitude of the effect is not huge. It definitely warrants thinking about reducing one's consumption of red meat. Relatedly, there is much stronger evidence for a link between the consumption of processed meats (meats preserved through curing, salting, smoking, fermentation or other means) and colorectal cancer.

The WCRF source below provides some evidence that consumption of dairy products is associated with a decreased risk of colorectal cancer.

For more information, see
https://www.wcrf.org/dietandcancer/exposures/meat-fish-dairy
http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/
 
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timeuser84 said:
I had read a article on food babes website...
I would never take dietary advice from a blogger named "foodbabe". After a quick browse of just the link I see just a truckload of nonsense.
 
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We are closing the thread. This is the result of a possibly great topic which was based on an unacceptable source.. Several posters got things back on track somewhat.
@timeuser84 - if you happen to find reasonable citations, please start another thread.

Thanks.
 

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