Alternate approach to Engineering (opinion please)

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The discussion centers around the integration of practical experience in engineering education, particularly in the context of automotive engineering. Participants explore the implications of hands-on experience for design and maintenance, as well as the challenges faced by engineers in balancing various design criteria.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that many engineers lack hands-on experience, which can lead to designs that do not consider practical maintenance issues, citing the example of oil filter accessibility in vehicles.
  • Another participant counters that design decisions are often constrained by multiple factors and that accessibility is not always the primary concern, emphasizing the complexity of engineering design processes.
  • A later reply suggests that engineers with practical experience can provide valuable insights during design discussions, though it acknowledges that assembly difficulties may arise from circumstances rather than oversight.
  • One participant shares their personal transition from design engineering to test engineering, indicating that practical skills may be more beneficial in certain roles.
  • Another contributor encourages the original poster to articulate their desire to bring a maintenance perspective to engineering, highlighting the importance of practical experience in academia.
  • One participant advises the original poster to work hard in their engineering studies and consider broadening their focus to include electrical engineering due to the prevalence of electronic controls in modern systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the importance of hands-on experience in engineering design. While some emphasize its value, others highlight the complexities and constraints of engineering processes that may limit the feasibility of prioritizing maintenance considerations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects a variety of perspectives on the relationship between practical experience and engineering design, with no consensus on the extent to which hands-on experience should influence design decisions.

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This is not a re-post of my other thread in general section, so please understand.

First, a brief description of myself: I'v gotten my associates degree in Automotive Technology/Repair, with perfect scores. ASE certified. But I have always been an aspiring Mechanical Engineer, with assisted passion for technical/hands-on intuition. That is why I studied a vocational field before entering my Higher Education Studies.



I am writing an additional essay for my admission to University of Texas' Engineering Department. The criteria is based on a single issue, or topic of interest that I want to explain to someone, it can be anyone.

Working in the Auto service field, and studying engineering, I have noticed a certain characteristic which both technicians and Engineers lack. (my roommate is an engineer, and I have worked with engineers in the past).

This is my proposal:


Most engineers graduate from a 4year university, and go right into the field. While many of them don't actually have a major impact on the design of a particular "thing", they are required to problem solve, within the restrictions of deadlines, and their prior experience with theory. But that's just it! Many entry level engineers lack the hands-on experience in the automotive service industry. So their designs are biased toward what looks good on paper (somewhat).

Example: I was doing the simplest task on a subaru, changing the oil. Engineers must design oil filters in a manner that would be quickly and easily accessible to technicians. Why is it that the god damn catalytic converter (hottest part of the car, approaching 1000 degrees f) is molded around the oil filter. This means every time a person reaches for the filter by hand, and often even with a pair of pliers, they are prone to injury, all because the engineers were not considering a factor.

This is why an engineer with an intuition of automotive service is important to have around, when designing automotive components. That is why I should be a member of this school, because I can make an impact on the engineering community as a whole.


Yes I know I sound cocky, I'm just trying to make a point. I think it may certainly help me in admission to one of the most competitive engineering schools in the country.

THANK YOU FOR READING, please give me your opinion, engineers.
 
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Packaging is a nightmare at the best of times, we don't put things in inaccessible locations for a laugh, or to piss you off. It's because in many cases, especially on modern engines, it's just because it really won't fit anywhere else.

Also people don't just design something and say, 'that's where it goes'. There are months of packaging meetings, where every single system owner wants their part in the prime location and bitches endlessly if it's moved.

Do oversights happen? Yes.
Do we consider assembly and maintenance? Yes.
Is making the technicians job easy the prime concern, not usually.

It's understandable why you are biased to making a maintenance job easy, but design requires you balance many criteria. You can ask 10 different departments what the priority is and get 10 different answers.
 
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Thanks for the response Chris. It was kind of a shoot-down though, haha. I understand it is virtually impossible for every component (particularly in the engine package) to have a perfectly accessible spot. And that more biased opinion only makes it more difficult to draw a consensus on the final outcome.

But would you agree that an engineer with a highly technical intuition could benefit the community or committee of engineers in the midst of a project?

Please, help me reorganize my opinion so that I could place it on my admissions essay as an acceptable observation. I have to speak of something that sticks out, and I thought this sort of thing does, and its really meaningful to me, even though its completely debatable, and anti-productive.
 
It wasn't meant to shoot you down. It's just you should know that assembly difficulty is caused more by circumstance than oversight.

If you ever do packaging work at some point you'll know what I mean. Engineers with practical 'hands on' experience are vital, it's always easier to design something if you taken something similar apart before. Though design is only one narrow aspect of engineering, I'd say practical skills benefit the test engineer more.

Though speaking from personal experience, if you enjoy the practical side of work, you are likely to hate design. I used to be a design engineer, but I've moved to test engineering (vehicle refinement). The thought of moving back to 8-10 hours sitting behind a desk is crushing.

The practical skills you have gain are always going to be a big plus, more skills are never a bad thing :)To be honest I've got no idea what to write for the admissions essay. I'm not sure what they would even be looking for. Someone around here will though.
 
I'd say you have the idea already, just you need to distill your words.
Could you write something to the effect : you wish to bring a "eye toward maintenance" into whatever engineering organization you land after graduation. To that end you bring with you firsthand real world experience , and a desire to be a lifelong learner.
I think that's pretty much what you said above.
The professors will know whereof you speak.

When i was a freshman EE, we frosh were still learning Kirchoff and had not yet got into machinery courses.
i carried my old car's generator ('51 chrysler, before alternators) into Professor's office to ask how it worked. It wasn't charging , i explained.
I sort of expected to get thrown out on my ear.
Instead, Professor's face lit up as he cleared some papers off his desk and set the armature down. I got a personal lesson in DC machines. And very practical advice.

Point being - academia welcomes the practical side. So long as one doesn't think it outweighs the theoretical side, because it doesn't. They are complementary.

It is the capacity for maintenance which is the best test for the vigor and stamina of a society. Any society can be galvanized for awhile to building something, but the will and the skill to keep things in good repair day-in and day-out are fairly rare.
—Eric Hoffer, Working and Thinking on the Waterfront

It is easier to build than to maintain.
-ibid

...it is the 'learners' who inherit the earth, while the 'learned' find themselves beautifully equipped to live in a world that no longer exists."
- Eric Hoffer, The Ordeal of Change

good luck -

old jim
 
just work very hard to get into and through any Bachelor of Engineering school you can. It will be hard, but never give up. Always ask Professors for help. If you have a passion for Engineering, you will far surpass all those who think they just need an impressive school name on their resume. Seriously consider Electrical Engineering degree in addition to a Mechanical Engineering degree (everything has electronic controls now days). Pay close attention in Micro-Economics or Engineering Econ. Very little happens without money. Take Dale Carnegie or something like it to learn how to sell your ideas. Never give up!
 

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