Alternating Power Series - Limits

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The discussion revolves around an alternating power series and its convergence interval. The original poster questions the teacher's assertion that the convergence interval is x = <-2,2], presenting a specific series and applying the ratio test to analyze its behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the ratio test to determine the convergence interval and expresses confusion regarding the behavior of the series for values of x greater than 2. Some participants suggest considering the Leibniz Criterion and question the implications of the terms not approaching zero for certain values of x.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the convergence properties of the series, with some providing hints and others clarifying points about the tests being used. There is acknowledgment of the complexity of the series behavior beyond the initially defined convergence interval.

Contextual Notes

There are references to specific values of x and the outcomes of applying various convergence tests, as well as a mention of the original series diverging for x > 2 while still yielding finite results in computational checks. The discussion reflects on the nature of analytic continuation in relation to the series.

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1. Alternating power series question on convergence interval.

I'm wrestling a bit with an alternating power series, the teacher has the convergence interval to be
[tex]x = <-2,2][/tex] and I don't agree.

Homework Equations



Without further adue, here is the alternating power series in question:
[tex]\sum^{\infty}_{n=1}(-1)^{n-1}\frac{x^{n}}{n*2^{n}}[/tex]
Ratio test says;
[tex]\lim_{n=\infty}|\frac{x^{n+1}}{(n+1)*2^{n+1}}\frac{n*2^{n}}{x^{n}}|[/tex]
and end at the fruity limes below
[tex]\frac{|x|}{2}\lim_{n=\infty}|\frac{n}{(n+1)}|[/tex]
now I understand that, [tex]\lim_{n=\infty}|\frac{n}{(n+1)}| \approx 1[/tex]

and in order to satisfy the criteria, ratio < 1, the limits for x must lie in <-2,2>.

Inserting limits for x in the original series i got:

[tex]x=2: \sum^{\infty}_{n=1}(-1)^{n-1}\frac{1}{n}, converges[/tex]
[tex]x=-2: \sum^{\infty}_{n=1}(-1)^{2n-1}\frac{1}{n}, diverges[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



This far I agree with the limits stated by the teacher, but something bugs me, I computed the series with many different values for x>2 in maple and the result was a finite real number every time. For positive x values the series seems to alternate and converge, even though it brakes the ratio < 1. Is it possible that this series is conditionally convergent, or am I on the wrong mind track?

Cheers.
 
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HINT: Maybe it is worth to think about "Leibniz Criterion"?
 
estro said:
HINT: Maybe it is worth to think about "Leibniz Criterion"?

In other words, the terms of (x/2)^n/n do not approach 0 as n->infinity if x>2. Show that if it will help. Sure they alternate, but that's not enough.
 
Yes, but for other values root test decides right away. [almost trivial]
 
estro said:
Yes, but for other values root test decides right away. [almost trivial]

Absolutely, so does the ratio test. I wasn't disagreeing with your answer in any way. I was just pointing out the part of the alternating series test that fails. If ellynx is picking values like x=2.01 the series will appear to decrease at first but if you get out past n=200 (I think), they will start increasing.
 
Thank you for the replies and for shedding some light on this series business for me. I think I got it. I just have to pick the tests with care.
 
ellynx said:
Ratio test says;
[tex]\lim_{n=\infty}|\frac{x^{n+1}}{(n+1)*2^{n+1}}\frac{n*2^{n}}{x^{n}}|[/tex]
and end at the fruity limes below
[tex]\frac{|x|}{2}\lim_{n=\infty}|\frac{n}{(n+1)}|[/tex]
"end at the fruity limes...?"
ellynx said:
now I understand that, [tex]\lim_{n=\infty}|\frac{n}{(n+1)}| \approx 1[/tex]
No, the limit isn't approximately 1. It's true that for large n, n/(n + 1) is approximately 1, but in the limit, this ratio is exactly 1.
 
Yes of course, it should say equal to one, thank you for correcting me Mark44.

as goes for "end at the fruity limes," its just a silly pun on "limes" as the fruit lime and of course as in limes or limit.
 
ellynx said:
1. Alternating power series question on convergence interval.

I'm wrestling a bit with an alternating power series, the teacher has the convergence interval to be
[tex]x = <-2,2][/tex] and I don't agree.


Homework Equations



Without further adue, here is the alternating power series in question:
[tex]\sum^{\infty}_{n=1}(-1)^{n-1}\frac{x^{n}}{n*2^{n}}[/tex]
Ratio test says;
[tex]\lim_{n=\infty}|\frac{x^{n+1}}{(n+1)*2^{n+1}}\frac{n*2^{n}}{x^{n}}|[/tex]
and end at the fruity limes below
[tex]\frac{|x|}{2}\lim_{n=\infty}|\frac{n}{(n+1)}|[/tex]
now I understand that, [tex]\lim_{n=\infty}|\frac{n}{(n+1)}| \approx 1[/tex]

and in order to satisfy the criteria, ratio < 1, the limits for x must lie in <-2,2>.

Inserting limits for x in the original series i got:

[tex]x=2: \sum^{\infty}_{n=1}(-1)^{n-1}\frac{1}{n}, converges[/tex]
[tex]x=-2: \sum^{\infty}_{n=1}(-1)^{2n-1}\frac{1}{n}, diverges[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



This far I agree with the limits stated by the teacher, but something bugs me, I computed the series with many different values for x>2 in maple and the result was a finite real number every time. For positive x values the series seems to alternate and converge, even though it brakes the ratio < 1. Is it possible that this series is conditionally convergent, or am I on the wrong mind track?

Cheers.
Maple computes the sum exactly as log(1 + x/2), which, of course, is true if |x| < 1. The series diverges for x > 2, but the *analytic continuation* of the series continues to make sense for x > 2. This type of thing is not at all uncommon: we start with a series that is valid definition of a function in a certain region, then can extend the function outside that region by changing the series.

For example, in your case we can expand f(x) = log(1 + x/2) about x = a to get
[tex]\displaystyle f(x) = log(1 + \frac{a}{2}) + \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^{(n-1)}}{n} \frac{(x-a)^n}{(a+2)^n}[/tex] If we set a = 1/2 we have two convergent series for f(x) near x = 1/2: the original one, and the new one. The new series converges for |x - 1/2| < 5/2, so converges for x out to 3.

RGV
 

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