Alternative Atmospheres for Life

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of life existing on planets with atmospheres that differ significantly from Earth's, particularly focusing on the types of gases that organisms might breathe. It explores theoretical implications, historical context, and examples from both Earth and speculative extraterrestrial environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that life could exist in atmospheres composed of gases other than oxygen or carbon dioxide, though this remains speculative.
  • Others highlight that Earth's atmosphere has changed over time, noting that early life thrived without oxygen and that cyanobacteria played a crucial role in oxygenating the atmosphere.
  • A participant mentions that extremophiles on Earth demonstrate that life can exist in diverse and extreme atmospheric conditions, suggesting that similar life forms could exist elsewhere.
  • There is a reference to research discussing alternative atmospheres, including the potential for life based on halides and the historical context of life on gas giants like Jupiter.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of anaerobic organisms, which exist in environments where oxygen is toxic, indicating that life can adapt to various atmospheric conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that life could potentially exist in alternative atmospheres, but there is no consensus on the specific conditions or types of gases that would support such life. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views and speculative ideas presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the speculative nature of the discussion regarding extraterrestrial life and the dependence on historical context from Earth's atmospheric evolution. The discussion also references ongoing debates in the scientific community about the viability of life in non-Earth-like conditions.

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Is it possible for life to exist on a planet with an atmosphere radically different from earth's? Where the organisms breathe gases other than oxygen or carbon dioxide?
 
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Short answer: we don't know.

Long answer: we don't know, we can only speculate about. Speculation is not something we do at Physics Forums.
 
Right. Sorry!
 
It's worth noting that the composition of gasses in Earth's atmosphere has not been constant throughout the history of life on Earth. Early Earth's atmosphere did not contain oxygen, and early organisms did not use aerobic respiration. Only after cyanobacteria evolved photosynthesis did the Earth's atmosphere begin to have significant amounts of oxygen and other organisms could evolve to use that oxygen for metabolic processes.
 
Ygggdrasil said:
It's worth noting that the composition of gasses in Earth's atmosphere has not been constant throughout the history of life on Earth. Early Earth's atmosphere did not contain oxygen, and early organisms did not use aerobic respiration. Only after cyanobacteria evolved photosynthesis did the Earth's atmosphere begin to have significant amounts of oxygen and other organisms could evolve to use that oxygen for metabolic processes.
And stromatolites are the results.

While prokaryotic cyanobacteria reproduce asexually through cell division, they were instrumental in priming the environment for the evolutionary development of more complex eukaryotic organisms. Cyanobacteria (as well as extremophile Gammaproteobacteria) are thought to be largely responsible for increasing the amount of oxygen in the primeval Earth's atmosphere through their continuing photosynthesis. Cyanobacteria use water, carbon dioxide, and sunlight to create their food.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromatolite
 
The Earth's atmosphere even now isn't static. There are pockets around this planet where the atmospheric conditions conductive to some forms of life are lethal to others. So we don't have to leave our planet or go back in time. Extremophiles are very interesting. One thing to keep in mind is that experiments have been done to use a replacement chemical in synthetic experiment. Despite the controversy over certain ways some people did some poor science, ''Arsenic biochemistry'' is a good example of the synthetic possibilities.
 
It is more than possible, it is a major element of life on earth. As noted above, early life evolved in the absence of atmospheric oxygen at an effective level. Anaerobic organisms, for which oxygen is toxic, exist in innumerable environments.
 
Limits of Organic Life

The National Academy of Science produced this book about 6 years ago, which discusses the issues of alternative atmospheres: The Limits of Organic Life in Planetary Systems

Also there's this paper by Johnson Haas which discusses a biosphere based on halides as the active gases: The potential feasibility of chlorinic photosynthesis on exoplanets.

A much older discussion, though still pertinent, is John Campbell's discussion of life on Jupiter, from the 1930s: Other Eyes Watching. While our model of Jupiter has changed, there has been much discussion of biospheres on hydrogen rich planets in recent years - even Earth is suspected of quite high hydrogen partial pressures in the past.
 
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