Alternative to Guns: Self-Defense Devices from Surefire.com

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of self-defense devices, particularly flashlights from Surefire.com, as alternatives to firearms for personal protection in various settings such as homes and vehicles. Participants explore the effectiveness, safety, and ethical implications of using such devices compared to traditional firearms.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that self-defense devices like flashlights are safer and less morally troubling than firearms, suggesting they reduce legal repercussions and guilt associated with using lethal force.
  • Others contend that a flashlight is inadequate against an armed attacker, emphasizing that it may not deter violence and could provoke further aggression.
  • There are claims that many gun owners do not use firearms for hunting, challenging the motivations behind gun ownership.
  • Some participants share anecdotes about ineffective home defense strategies, including humorous takes on unconventional methods like leaving notes for burglars.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety of having firearms in the home, particularly regarding accidental discharges involving children.
  • Several participants reference the limitations of non-lethal weapons, arguing that they cannot match the effectiveness of firearms in real-life scenarios.
  • Discussions include differing views on the appropriateness of using firearms for self-defense, with some advocating for a more aggressive stance while others prefer non-lethal methods.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the effectiveness and morality of using flashlights versus firearms for self-defense. There is no consensus on the best approach, with multiple competing views remaining throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions about the nature of threats, the preparedness of attackers, and the effectiveness of different self-defense tools. The discussion reflects a mix of personal experiences and theoretical considerations without resolving the complexities involved in self-defense scenarios.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in self-defense strategies, discussions on the ethics of firearms versus non-lethal alternatives, and those exploring the implications of personal safety devices may find this discussion relevant.

  • #61
LOL, now you're attacking Republicans? This thread just keeps getting better and better.

- Warren
 
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  • #62
There was a recent news here about a young woman who was raped. Without going into further details the attacker had a gun, the young woman was taken in different areas and repeatedly...

Now the boyfriend saw it at the beginning of the assault and when he saw the attacker had a gun he decided to call 911 first. When he came back the attacker was gone and so is his girfriend. It's very tragic. On that situation things may be different if the boyfriend had a firearm and was properly trained to handle one.

I believe that law abiding citizens should be allowed to possesses or carry guns, but they should at least be required to attend a seminar on handling firearms..etc, and some psychological testing, background test..

Or just study martial arts :)
 
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  • #63
1) It's "viruses".

2) The reason most viruses are for Windows is simply because that's what most people use. I haven't used OpenBSD myself, but I have no doubt that I could write something to screw it up royally after some experience with the system.
 
  • #64
franznietzsche said:
Slow-drying paint? I get the purpose of the rest, but i don't get how that one is a deterrent.

This is simple. You paint it on your drainpipes and when a theif jumps on it to climb then will slip down.

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
  • #65
Ooh is that like anti-climb paint. I hate that bloody stuff. Encountered it many times when retrieving the football from behind the local Scout Hut... as if it isn't bad enough having spiked fences...
 
  • #66
jimmy p said:
Ooh is that like anti-climb paint. I hate that bloody stuff. Encountered it many times when retrieving the football from behind the local Scout Hut... as if it isn't bad enough having spiked fences...

Lol. Should control the ball. :-p

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
  • #67
There was a recent news here about a young woman who was raped. Without going into further details the attacker had a gun, the young woman was taken in different areas and repeatedly...

Did they ever find the rapist?

Are you sort of suggesting that everyone or close to everyone on the street carry a gun to avoid this?
 
  • #68
The_Professional said:
On that situation things may be different if the boyfriend had a firearm and was properly trained to handle one.
Yes, if that were the case, the situation would be different: both the boyfriend and girlfriend would likely be dead.
I believe that law abiding citizens should be allowed to possesses or carry guns, but they should at least be required to attend a seminar on handling firearms..etc, and some psychological testing, background test..
I agree, but with severe restrictions.
 
  • #69
russ_watters said:
Yes, if that were the case, the situation would be different: both the boyfriend and girlfriend would likely be dead.

I've thought about that. It's also a possibility but since the news was pretty vague, and it didn't go into details on how far the attacker was or whether the attacker was facing behind. Just one of the many assumptions.

Did they ever find the rapist?

They didn't find the rapist yet. But they have a sketch based on eyewitness reports. And another thing is that some people heard what was going on and was too afraid to call the cops.

Are you sort of suggesting that everyone or close to everyone on the street carry a gun to avoid this?

Not at all.
 
  • #70
Hey Chroot, you claim I didn't have support in the thread about OpenBSD?

Don't lie, it'll come back to bite you in the ass:

Kronchev wrote:

he has a point, and yes i have MUCH experience with all of that. virus writers do so for fame, if someone wrote a virus for openbsd (and there ARE viruses for it, don't think there arent), they wouldn't get much publicity as few people use it. also, security and virus-proofness are two completely separate things. if you run a virus, you are giving it free access to do what it wants, that's how they work. since the only people using BSD and any unix variant are experianced with computers, theyre not going to do something stupid like that.

Who do you think you are? Castanza?
 
  • #71
Dagenais said:
Then why did he have to lie about it, and claim I had no support when it was clear I did?

Stop blindly agreeing with the admin, you look like an idiotic member of the Republicans just agreeing with someone because he has power.


WHAT THE )*&($@^(*&@$?

Are you asserting that truth is democratic? And as for agreeing i openly admit ignorance on the issue of OpenBSD viruses (i'm not even entirely clear on what OpenBSD is, i just assumed it was forum or server software or some such), all i said is that "majority rules" does not apply to truth, unless you are about 5 years old you should have the intellectual maturity to recognize this.
 

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