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The discussion revolves around a probability function involving an integral of the form A = ∫₀^{∞} e^{-2ax²} dx. Participants are exploring the steps and reasoning involved in evaluating this integral, particularly in the context of transitioning from Cartesian to polar coordinates.

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  • Participants discuss the original problem statement and the steps involved in solving the integral. There is a focus on the transition from single to double integrals and the implications of changing coordinate systems. Questions arise about the reasoning behind these transitions and the boundaries used in polar coordinates.

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Some participants have provided clarifications and explanations regarding the mathematical steps involved, while others are seeking further understanding of the reasoning behind specific transitions and the use of different quadrants in polar coordinates. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly concerning the application of boundaries in different quadrants.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of probability functions and integrals, with specific attention to the boundaries of integration and the implications of using different coordinate systems. There is an acknowledgment that the discussion may involve assumptions about the nature of the functions being analyzed.

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Please help for this probability function !
 

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You seem to have left out a number of steps.
Let's start with the original statement of the problem.

Could it be something like:

[tex]A = \int_0^{\infty} e^{-2ax^2} dx[/tex]

Calculate A?
 
yes, as you said, I have tried to solve this problem and I wrote in the paper that I've found value... I've checked again and again,I found the same value like in the paper.. ??:(
 
opeth_35 said:
yes, as you said, I have tried to solve this problem and I wrote in the paper that I've found value... I've checked again and again,I found the same value like in the paper.. ??:(

Well, I'll give you a quick answer, and a slow question.

In your notes you write: [tex]1 = A^2 \frac 1 {4a} \int_0^{\pi/2}d\theta[/tex]

This is wrong. It should be: [tex]A^2 = \frac 1 {4a} \int_0^{\pi/2}d\theta[/tex]

Applying this should give you the same answer as your teacher.

The slow question is: what happened in the first step?
You move here from a single integral over x to a double integral over r and theta.
Do you know what the line of reasoning is here?
Note that this is the most important step in the reasoning.
 
actually,I d be appreciate that, If you explain you asked question. What did you want to ask me about the line of reasoning?
 
opeth_35 said:
actually,I d be appreciate that, If you explain you asked question. What did you want to ask me about the line of reasoning?

I'll give you the step.
It is:

[tex] A^2 = \int_0^{\infty} e^{-2ax^2} dx \cdot \int_0^{\infty} e^{-2ax^2} dx <br /> = \int_0^{\infty} e^{-2ax^2} dx \cdot \int_0^{\infty} e^{-2ay^2} dy<br /> = \int_0^{\infty} \int_0^{\infty} e^{-2ax^2} e^{-2ay^2} dxdy<br /> = \int_0^{\infty} \int_0^{\infty} e^{-2a(x^2+y^2)} dxdy[/tex]

This is a surface integral in cartesian coordinates over the first quadrant.
Now we shift to polar coordinates over the first quadrant, which means that r goes from 0 to infinity and theta goes from 0 to pi/2.
Also where in cartesian coordinates we have dxdy as an infinitesimal surface element, in polar coordinates we have r.dtheta.dr.

In other words:

[tex] A^2 = \int_0^{\infty} \int_0^{\infty} e^{-2a(x^2+y^2)} dxdy<br /> = \int_0^{\frac {\pi} 2} \int_0^{\infty} e^{-2a(r^2)} r dr d\theta[/tex]

Does this make sense to you?
 
thank you for your reasonable explanation about that, Let me I want to ask you other question about this kind of probability functions.. You were talking about quadrant and you said: First quadrant and for this quadrant while the boundries go from 0 to +infinite. we need to use pi/2 while we compute for theta funtion. If we are using for the boundries go from -infinite to +infinite, we should use the boundries goes from 0 to 2pi which this is fourth quadrant I think. I know that. But,
So, Is there any function which we will use second and third quadrant about in this kind of questions. I am wondering.. like the boundries of pi and 3*pi/2..
I hope, I explained what I want to ask,,:)
 
opeth_35 said:
thank you for your reasonable explanation about that, Let me I want to ask you other question about this kind of probability functions.. You were talking about quadrant and you said: First quadrant and for this quadrant while the boundries go from 0 to +infinite. we need to use pi/2 while we compute for theta funtion. If we are using for the boundries go from -infinite to +infinite, we should use the boundries goes from 0 to 2pi which this is fourth quadrant I think. I know that. But,
So, Is there any function which we will use second and third quadrant about in this kind of questions. I am wondering.. like the boundries of pi and 3*pi/2..
I hope, I explained what I want to ask,,:)

It's possible of course, but it seems unlikely to me.
Note that it's just a "trick" to be able to calculate the original integral from 0 to infinity.
Furthermore, in probability theory we're usually interested in the range from -infinity to +infinity.
 

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