American Health Care: People are acting like 12-year-olds.

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The discussion centers around the behavior of individuals in political and community settings, particularly in relation to healthcare debates. Participants express frustration over the lack of reasoned discourse and the emotional reactions that dominate discussions about healthcare and related political issues.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants observe that discussions about healthcare often devolve into irrational behavior, likening it to "acting like gorillas on speed."
  • Others question the feasibility of reasonable discussions in politics, suggesting that such discussions are inherently difficult.
  • One participant recounts a local council meeting where members behaved childishly, reflecting a broader trend in community discussions.
  • A later reply challenges the initial metaphor of "gorillas on speed," arguing that there is no evidence to support this characterization and suggesting that participants lack knowledge of the facts and arguments on both sides of the debate.
  • Another participant agrees with the critique of the discourse, suggesting that people resort to rude behavior when they feel confined and unproductive.
  • Fear is identified as a significant factor influencing discussions about healthcare, with participants noting that the stakes involved lead to heightened emotions and distrust in political figures.

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Participants express a general agreement on the chaotic nature of discussions surrounding healthcare, but there is no consensus on the reasons for this behavior or the appropriateness of the metaphors used to describe it. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of political discourse and the role of fear in these discussions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight a lack of informed debate, with many individuals not understanding the facts or arguments relevant to the healthcare discussion. This suggests a limitation in the quality of discourse that may be influenced by emotional responses rather than rational analysis.

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If someone would disseminate this image around the internets in places I haven't already disseminated it, I would much appreciate it.

Which brings me to the subject of this post: why, instead of having a reasoned discussion, are people acting like gorillas on speed when talking about healthcare?
 

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I didn't know politics lent itself to reasonable discussions on any subjects.
 
Really. I was just at a boro council meeting where members of my homeowners' association acted like little children in fighting against a walking path being connected to our community. In their defense, though, they followed the lead of the boro council who bickered and insulted each other.
 
russ_watters said:
Really. I was just at a boro council meeting where members of my homeowners' association acted like little children in fighting against a walking path being connected to our community. In their defense, though, they followed the lead of the boro council who bickered and insulted each other.

On the plus side, they weren't hacking each other's limbs off, I hope.
 
There is absolutely ZERO evidence to support the fact that they are acting like gorillas on speed

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gorillas+on+speed&search_type=&aq=f

I can't find a single youtube video that would allow me to corroborate this! Until further documentation of gorillas on speed is presented, I have to consider your case null and void.

It should be noted that
1) Most people don't know the facts that support their side
2) Most people don't know the arguments that support other side
3) Most people thusly can't make rational arguments for their side or to counter the other side

With no elements of debate left, there's nothing left to do but yell and throw poop at each other
 
Office_Shredder said:
With no elements of debate left, there's nothing left to do but yell and throw poop at each other
Good analysis! Not gorillas on speed - just common monkeys who are confined and have nothing productive to do and who resort to being rude because it is fun.
 
Galteeth said:
On the plus side, they weren't hacking each other's limbs off, I hope.
Yes, and if you are implying that that is progress, I wholeheartedly agree.
 
kldickson said:
If someone would disseminate this image around the internets in places I haven't already disseminated it, I would much appreciate it.

Which brings me to the subject of this post: why, instead of having a reasoned discussion, are people acting like gorillas on speed when talking about healthcare?

It's a the four letter "F" word - FEAR.

Health care is life and death, plus financial uncertainty, most people don't trust politicians who don't think they need to even read the Bills anymore.
 

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