Get Vaccinated Against the Covid Delta Variant

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the COVID-19 Delta variant, its transmissibility, vaccine effectiveness, and public health implications. Participants explore the variant's characteristics, the response to its spread, and the importance of vaccination, particularly in light of emerging data on vaccine efficacy against this variant.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the Delta variant has been classified as a variant of concern due to its increased transmissibility and potential to evade immune responses.
  • Preliminary data suggests that the Pfizer vaccine is 88% effective against the Delta variant, compared to 93% against the Alpha variant, indicating that vaccines still provide significant protection.
  • There is a discussion about the factors contributing to the increased infections attributed to the Delta variant, including vaccine efficacy and intrinsic transmissibility.
  • Some participants express concern about public events, such as soccer matches, where large gatherings may facilitate the spread of the Delta variant, particularly among younger, less vaccinated individuals.
  • Others mention the importance of receiving both doses of the vaccine to maximize effectiveness against the Delta variant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of vaccination and the concerning nature of the Delta variant. However, there are multiple competing views regarding the factors influencing its spread and the effectiveness of vaccines, leaving the discussion unresolved on some aspects.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on evolving data regarding vaccine effectiveness and the need for further clarification on the interplay between vaccination rates and variant transmissibility.

  • #511
PeroK said:
If you were to produce some reliable data that related, say, vaccination status with voting at the previous round of elections, then that would be interesting and, in itself, apolitical.
I did.
It was pulled. Apparently, not because it was wrong, but because it continued in a direction the Mentors didn't want it to go.
I'm not reposting it.
 
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  • #512
Vanadium 50 said:
It was pulled. Apparently, not because it was wrong, but because it continued in a direction the Mentors didn't want it to go.
The readers of this thread, the readers, not the mentors! (2 reports claiming "politics".)
 
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  • #513
I'm still not reposting it.
 
  • #514
Vanadium 50 said:
Actually, while I think that's exactly what will happen, I don't think it's sound scientific thinking.

If one has the hypothesis that A is the primary cause of B, this should be at some level scale invariant. If I demonstrate a correlation (a necessary but not sufficient condition for causation) when I break down the population by US State, I should also see it if I break it down by county or congressional district (the advantage here is that they are closer in size than counties) or some other variable.
This view ignores the fact that the federalist system of the US places a lot of control over these measures into the hands of governors and state legislatures (especially because in many cases state governments have been able to override or limit local regulations). Blue congressional districts within red states will be different from blue congressional districts in blue states because they have different state-level policies and regulations governing them. For example, many blue vs red states have different regulations regarding vaccine mandates (e.g. at public schools and universities) and allocate different amounts of funding and effort to promote vaccination.
 
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  • #515
Ygggdrasil said:
This view ignores the fact
If B is an attitude ("vaccine reluctance" or its converse) it is hard to see how differences in policies dominantly driver this.
 
  • #517
After a Mentor discussion and some cleanup, the thread will stay closed. Thanks for a useful discussion, folks.
 
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