Amount of Propane Required to Melt 1L Aluminum

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the amount of propane required to melt 1 liter of aluminum, including considerations of energy requirements and efficiency in practical applications. Participants explore the theoretical calculations and seek to understand the real-world implications of these results.

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Main Points Raised

  • The initial calculation estimates that approximately 2,647,866.23 J of energy is required to heat and melt 1 liter of aluminum.
  • One participant suggests that using significant figures in calculations would improve the accuracy of the results.
  • Another participant notes that real-world setups typically do not achieve 100% efficiency, indicating that a significant amount of energy is lost to heating the surrounding environment.
  • A later reply estimates that, considering efficiency losses, only about 20-25% of the theoretical amount of aluminum could realistically be melted with 1 liter of propane, suggesting that only about 3 liters might be achievable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the theoretical calculations provide a starting point, but there is significant disagreement regarding the efficiency of the process and the practical implications of the results. The discussion remains unresolved on how much aluminum can actually be melted with the given amount of propane.

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Limitations include the assumptions made regarding efficiency and the ideal conditions for energy transfer. The calculations may not account for all variables present in a practical melting setup.

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I started off yesterday learning about specific heats, and measuring my ice cubes to figure out the correct number to cool my tea to a proper drinking temperature.

Now today I was curious how much propane would be required to melt 1L of Aluminum since I'm also interested in casting Aluminum. I was hoping that someone could check my work, and then tell me how I can get more "Real world" results, or if this would even be practical at all for my level of math/physics/chem understanding.

Also, if you have any concepts you think I should learn next I would appreciate any suggestions. I have some Physics, and Chemistry books that I am reading for furthering my education.

Aluminum
Latent Heat of Fusion: 398 J/g
Specific Heat: 0.91 J/g°C
Density: 2.70 g/cm^3
Melting Point: 660.32°C
Ambient Temperature: 20°C

Mass of 1 Liter Aluminum (Mass = Density * Volume) (1mL = 1cm^3)
2.70g/cm^3 * 1000mL = 2700g

Required Energy for +640.32°C (Mass * Specific Heat * Temperature Difference)
2700 * 0.91 * (660.32-20)
2700 * 0.91 * 640.32
2457 * 640.32 = 1,573,266.24

1,573,266.24 J Required to Heat 20°C Aluminum to 660.32°C

Required Energy to Change Solid -> Liquid (Mass * Latent Heat of Fusion)
2700 * 398 = 1,074,600 J

Total Energy to Heat, and Melt Aluminum (Raise Temp + State Change)
1,573,266.23 + 1,074,600 = 2,647,866.23 J

2,647,866.23 J
735.5184 Wh (Joules/3600)
2509.6929443 BTU (Joules/1055.05585262)

Propane
Molar Mass: 44.1g/mol
Energy Density: 2220kJ/mol
Liquid Density at 25°C: 0.493g/cm^3
Mass Per Liter: 493g/Liter

Moles Per Liter (Mass Per Liter/Molar Mass)
493/44.1 = 11.17913832mols

Energy Density per Liter (Mol * Energy Density)
11.17913832 * 2,220,000 = 24817687.0704J

Amount of Aluminum Melted per Liter of Propane (Energy per Liter Propane/Energy to Melt Aluminum)
24817687.0704/2,647,866.23 = 9.3727118044L Melted per Liter of Propane
 
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The first thing you could do to get more "real world" results is to use significant figures. 24817687.0704? Good heavens!
 
Well, in real setups, you don't get 100% efficiency. You will heat a lot of air and other parts of your experiment as well. The efficiency really depends on the setup.

Working with units everywhere and with less [strike]in[/strike]significant figures would be useful.
 
9.372L of aluminum melted using just 1L of propane? Holy moly... Doing it for real will likely result in maybe 20-25% efficiency; you'd be lucky to be able to melt 3L with that much propane for real.
 

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