An Alternative Variance Formula

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The discussion revolves around a newly derived expression for the variance of a random variable, presented as ##Var(X)=\frac{1}{2}\int\int (x-y)^2dF(x)dF(y)##. Participants explore its potential applications, comparisons with traditional variance formulas, and implications for statistical modeling.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a new expression for variance, questioning its utility.
  • Another participant finds the new expression overly complicated compared to the traditional formula, ##Var(X) = \int {X^2}dF - (\int X dF)^2##, and has not verified the new formula.
  • A third participant expresses appreciation for the new expression, indicating a positive view.
  • Another participant suggests that the new formula could motivate a statistic to test for independence in random samples, noting that the term ##(x-y)## may reflect correlations between samples.
  • A further inquiry is made about the existence of a cubic expression related to the variance formula, proposing a potential third moment term involving a cubic polynomial.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the utility of the new variance expression, with some expressing skepticism and others finding it interesting. Multiple competing views regarding its complexity and applicability remain.

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The discussion highlights the reliance on independent random samples in the proposed formula and raises questions about its implications for statistical modeling, particularly concerning correlations.

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Statisticians, mathematicians, and researchers interested in variance formulations and statistical modeling may find this discussion relevant.

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Interesting formula for variance
I derived (trivially) an expression for the variance of a random variable (which I had never noticed before). Let ##X## be a random variable with cdf ##F(x)## then (assuming finite second moment). ##Var(X)=\frac{1}{2}\int\int (x-y)^2dF(x)dF(y)##.

Is this expression of any use?
 
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It looks so much more complicated than other equations that I can't think of a use for it.
This seems much more convenient: ##Var(X) = \int {X^2}dF - (\int X dF)^2##

PS. I have not taken time to verify your formula. I do not see it immediately.
 
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It looks so much more complicated than other equations that I can't think of a use for it.
This seems much more convenient: ##Var(X) = \int {X^2}dF - (\int X dF)^2##

PS. I have not taken time to verify your formula. I do not see it immediately.
##(x-y)^2=x^2+y^2-2xy## gives the usual formula.
 
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I think it's pretty neat.
 
mathman said:
Is this expression of any use?

The focus in practical statistics is on estimators of populatiom parameters and sample statistics rather than the population parameters themselves. Since the formula relies on the model that we are taking independent random samples, perhaps it can motivate a statistic to test whether we actually have independent random samples. The term ##(x-y)## comparing different samples suggests the result would be influenced by any correlations. Perhaps there are already well-known statistics that we can understand to be motivated by the formula.
 
Is there a natural cubic expression to follow up with? You have ##xF(x)## for expected values, ##\frac{1}{2}(x-y)^2F(x)F(y)## for variance, seems like there should be a nice ##\frac{1}{6}P(x,y,z)F(x)F(y)F(z)## term for some cubic polynomial P to calculate a meaningful third moment term.
 

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