An approximated lower bound of an expression.

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The discussion revolves around finding an approximated lower bound for the summation $ \sum_{i=1}^{x}i^{N} $ where $ N > 2 $. Participants explore whether this summation is greater than $ \frac{1}{N+1}x^{(N+1)} $ and discuss methods of proof.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Bincy questions if there is an approximated lower bound for the summation $ \sum_{i=1}^{x}i^{N} $ and proposes the inequality $ > \frac{1}{N+1}x^{(N+1)} $.
  • Another participant asserts that the proposed inequality is true and mentions a proof without providing details.
  • A third participant introduces a related problem involving the identity for $ S_{n,k} = \sum_{j = 1}^{n} j^{k} $ and presents a formula that relates different sums, suggesting a deeper exploration of the topic.
  • Bincy later clarifies that proving the lower bound can be approached by comparing the summation to an integral, specifically stating $ \sum_{i=1}^{n}i^{k} > \int_{0}^{n}x^{k}dx $.

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Participants express differing levels of certainty regarding the proof of the lower bound. While one participant claims the inequality is true, others provide additional context and methods without reaching a consensus on the proof's details.

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The discussion includes various mathematical approaches and identities, but lacks a definitive resolution on the proof of the lower bound. Some assumptions about the behavior of the summation and integral comparisons are present but not fully explored.

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Hii All,

$ \sum_{i=1}^{x}i^{N}:N>2 $. Is there any approximated lower bound for the above summation? Is it > $ \frac{1}{N+1}x^{(N+1)}$ ? If yes, how to prove that?regards,
Bincy
 
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bincybn said:
Hii All,

$ \sum_{i=1}^{x}i^{N}:N>2 $. Is there any approximated lower bound for the above summation? Is it > $ \frac{1}{N+1}x^{(N+1)}$ ? If yes, how to prove that?
Yes, that is true. You can find a proof here.
 
A similar interesting problem is proposed in...

Don't know how to proof it

Setting $\displaystyle S_{n,k}= \sum_{j = 1}^{n} j^{k}$ a fundamental identity is...

$\displaystyle \binom{k+1}{1}\ S_{n,1} + \binom{k+1}{2}\ S_{n,2} + ... + \binom{k+1}{k}\ S_{n,k} = (n+1)\ \{(n+1)^{k}-1\}$ (1)

... and (1) can be written as...$\displaystyle S_{n,k} = \frac{(n+1)\ \{(n+1)^{k}-1\} - \binom{k+1}{1}\ S_{n,1} - \binom{k+1}{2}\ S_{n,2} - ... - \binom{k+1}{k-1}\ S_{n,k-1}}{\binom{k+1}{k} }$ (2)

... i.e. $S_{n,k}$ is the sum of the term $\displaystyle \frac{(n+1)\ \{(n+1)^{k}-1\}} {\binom{k+1}{k}}$ and a linear combination of the $S_{n,1}$,$S_{n,2}$, ..., $S_{n,k-1}$. That means that $\displaystyle S_{n,1}= \frac{n\ (n+1)}{2}$, which divides the term $\displaystyle \frac{(n+1)\ \{(n+1)^{k}-1\}} {\binom{k+1}{k}}$, divides also all the $S_{n,k}$ for k>1...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
Hii,
Thanks everyone.
Now I understand that, to prove only the lower bound, we don't have to do much. It is just $\sum_{i=1}^{n}i^{k}>\int_{0}^{n}x^{k}dx$ (Dividing the area of the curve into rectangles)

regards,
Bincy
 

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