Analyzing a Simple Pendulum: Length, Displacement, Velocity, and Restoring Force

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The discussion revolves around analyzing a simple pendulum's motion, focusing on its length, maximum displacement, velocity, and restoring force. The original poster presents a problem involving a mass on a string swinging with a specified frequency and displacement, leading to several related questions.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between angular frequency and string length, with attempts to derive the length of the string from given parameters. There are discussions on converting angular displacement in radians to linear displacement in meters, and clarifications on the use of small angle approximations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing feedback on each other's reasoning and calculations. Some have offered guidance on the relationships between variables, while others are questioning their assumptions and the implications of their calculations. There is a recognition of the need to express certain variables in terms of others, such as replacing amplitude with a function of maximum angle.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions made regarding small angles and the implications for calculating arc length versus horizontal displacement. Participants are navigating through the constraints of the problem while adhering to the homework guidelines.

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Homework Statement


A mass,m, hangs from a string and swings with a frequency of 0.8 Hz with
a maximum
displacement of 0.1 rad. The equation of motion is given by
x=Acos(ωt).

A) What is the length of the string?
B) What is the maximum displacement of the mass in meters?
C) What is the velocity of the mass as a function of time? Leave the answer as a function of m,g,L, and θmax
(Hint: Take the derivative of the equation of motion).
D)
What is the restoring force acting on the mass as a function of time? Leave the answer as a function of m,g,L, and θmax
(Hint: Find the acceleration)

Homework Equations


ω=sqrt(g/l)
ω=2pif

The Attempt at a Solution


for part a) ω = 2pif and ω = sqrt(g/l) (since this is a simple pendulum)
so
2pif=sqrt(g/l)
or
l=g/(4pi^2f^2) = 9.8/(4pi^2(.8)^2) = .39m

for part b i can't figure out how to get .1 rads into meters. this is my attempt so far
(.1 rad) (cycle/2pi rad) (second/.8cycle) = .02 seconds

for part c take the derivativedx/dt = d/dt(Acos(sqrt(g/l)t))
v = -Asin(sqrt(g/l)t)(sqrt(g/l)
im guessing the theta max that the question wants v defined in terms of will be part of Apart d
a = dv/dt = d/dt(-Asin(sqrt(g/l)t)(sqrt(g/l))
= -Acos(sqrt(g/l)t)(g/l)

then use F = ma = -kx

m * -Acos(sqrt(g/l)t)(g/l)

any feedback?
 
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wait i think i got it.
for part b
x= l*theta = .39m * .01
or is it .39 * .01 * 2pi? (radians confuse me)
 
toothpaste666 said:
wait i think i got it.
for part b
x= l*theta = .39m * .01
or is it .39 * .01 * 2pi? (radians confuse me)
You mean .39m * .1, right? Yes, that's near enough. (The whole point of using radians as the unit of angle is to make this relationship easy: radius x angle = arc length.)
But note that it really gives you the arc length displacement, not the horizontal displacement. If you want the horizontal displacement you need to use sin(), but for such a small angle there's very little difference. Besides, in order to solve (a) you already had to assume the angle is so small that the two are near enough the same.
 
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haruspex said:
You mean .39m * .1, right? Yes, that's near enough. (The whole point of using radians as the unit of angle is to make this relationship easy: radius x angle = arc length.)
But note that it really gives you the arc length displacement, not the horizontal displacement. If you want the horizontal displacement you need to use sin(), but for such a small angle there's very little difference. Besides, in order to solve (a) you already had to assume the angle is so small that the two are near enough the same.
oops yes i meant .1 And yea I assuming sin(theta) is approximately equal to theta. I probably should have mentioned that. The rest of it looks ok though? particularly part d? I wasnt entirely sure what to do once I found the acceleration so i just set ma= -kx and plugged in a
 
toothpaste666 said:
oops yes i meant .1 And yea I assuming sin(theta) is approximately equal to theta. I probably should have mentioned that. The rest of it looks ok though? particularly part d? I wasnt entirely sure what to do once I found the acceleration so i just set ma= -kx and plugged in a
Yes, but you need to replace A by some function involving thetamax.
 
couldnt i replace the A with l * thetamax?
 
toothpaste666 said:
couldnt i replace the A with l * thetamax?
That'll do it.
 
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thanks for your help
 

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