Angular Momentum: Deriving S_z Expression

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the expression for the angular momentum operator S_z in quantum mechanics, specifically how it is represented in terms of its eigenstates. Participants explore the relationships between different spin operators, particularly S_z and S_x, and the implications of these relationships in the context of quantum mechanics.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the expression for S_z as S_z = hbar/2 [ (|+><+|)-(|-><-|) ] and asks how this is derived.
  • Another participant explains the general form of an operator in terms of its eigenvalues and eigenvectors, suggesting that the expression for S_z is a projection operator.
  • A participant requests an explicit derivation of the expression for S_z and inquires about the expression for S_x.
  • There is a discussion about the resolution of the identity, with one participant asserting that the expression in square brackets does not represent the identity due to the negative sign in front of |-><-|.
  • Another participant acknowledges a mistake regarding the identity and provides a derivation of S_z using the resolution of the identity, while also discussing the treatment of S_x.
  • Questions are raised about the application of the S_x operator to the eigenstates |+> and |->, and whether S_z and S_x are commuting operators.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the derivation of the S_z expression and the implications for S_x. There is no consensus on the resolution of the identity or the treatment of the operators, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the resolution of the identity and the eigenstates of the operators, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the application of these concepts to the derivation of the expressions. The discussion also touches on the relationship between different spin operators without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners of quantum mechanics, particularly those interested in angular momentum operators and their mathematical representations.

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S_z = hbar/2 [ (|+><+|)-(|-><-|) ]


Normally we're given these relations, how does one derive them?
 
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The general form of any operator in terms of its eigenvalues and eigenvectors is
[tex] A = \sum_a |a\rangle a \langle a |[/tex]
where |a> is the eigenvector with eigenvalue a. This is simply like expressing an operator in its diagonal basis, and the operator [tex]|a\rangle \langle a |[/tex] is the projection operator for that eigenvector. That's what the S_z operator you've written is.
 
Sorry. I don't see how that is derived. Can you show me explicitly?

What does that say about S_x?

S_x = hbar/2 [ (|+><-| + |-><+|)]
 
Nusc said:
S_z = hbar/2 [ (|+><+|)-(|-><-|) ]


Normally we're given these relations, how does one derive them?

Do you understand how the resolution of the identity works? The expression you have in square brackets is equal to 1 (more specifically the 2x2 identity matrix) ... do you understand why? That is a good place to start here ...
 
There's a negative sign in front of |-><-| so its not the identity.

But (|+><+|)+(|-><-|) = 1 is.

Actually for an arbitrary set [tex] <br /> \sum_a |a\rangle \langle a | = 1<br /> [/tex]

|+> = ( 1 0 )^T
|-> = ( 0 1 )^T
 
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Nusc said:
There's a negative sign in front of |-><-| so its not the identity.

But (|+><+|)+(|-><-|) = 1 is.

Actually for an arbitrary set [tex] <br /> \sum_a |a\rangle \langle a | = 1<br /> [/tex]

|+> = ( 1 0 )^T
|-> = ( 0 1 )^T

Sorry ... you are of course correct (it's late and I am not paying close enough attention). However, the equation you gave was generated from the resolution of the identity as follows:

[tex]S_z = S_z \{|+\rangle\langle+|\:+\:|-\rangle\langle-|\}[/tex]

But of course,

[tex]S_z|+\rangle=\frac{\hbar}{2}|+\rangle;\:\:S_z|-\rangle=-\frac{\hbar}{2}|-\rangle[/tex]

So we have (parentheses used to group terms for clarity):

[tex]S_z = (S_z|+\rangle)\langle+|\:+\:(S_z|-\rangle)\langle-| = \frac{\hbar}{2}[\:|+\rangle\langle+|\:-\:|-\rangle\langle-|\:][/tex]

As you correctly wrote. As for Sx, the treatment is basically the same, although you have to be a little bit careful at the beginning. I find it clearest to do the resolution of the identity in terms of the eigenstates of Sx (as opposed to |+> and |->, which are the eigenstates of Sz by convention). Then use the expressions for the Sx eigenstates in the basis of |+> and |-> to simplify the result.

EDIT: Ok, that TeX code came out pretty ugly, but it is correct .. let me know if you have any more questions. Bedtime now.
 
What's S_x |+> and S_x |->?
 
Nusc said:
What's S_x |+> and S_x |->?

What do you think? Are you familiar with the Stern-Gerlach experiment? The |+> and |-> are eigenstates of Sz, so what should happen when the Sx operator is applied to them? Are Sz and Sx commuting operators?
 
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