Experiment: Spin Rotation Operator

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The discussion revolves around the experimental application of the spin rotation operator ## \exp{\left(-i\phi\frac{ S_z}{\hbar}\right)}## in quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of a beam of electrons. Participants explore the theoretical implications and practical challenges of implementing this operator in experiments.

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  • One participant questions how to experimentally apply the spin rotation operator on a quantum mechanical system, specifically on electrons.
  • Another participant argues that the operation of an operator on a state is primarily a mathematical concept and may not be directly implementable in experiments, suggesting that experiments can measure states and disturb the Hamiltonian instead.
  • It is noted that the rotation operator is a unitary transformation that changes the reference frame of the observer, implying it results in a trivial spin coordinate transformation.
  • A later reply clarifies that the operator specifically rotates the spin reference frame without affecting the position or orbital frame.
  • Another participant suggests that applying a magnetic field along the z-axis can achieve the desired effect of the spin operator, referencing the Hamiltonian involving the magnetic moment and magnetic field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practical implementation of the spin rotation operator, with some emphasizing the mathematical nature of operators and others proposing specific experimental methods. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to apply the operator experimentally.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations noted regarding the assumptions about the operator's implementation and the dependence on the definitions of the reference frames involved. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps or the implications of the proposed methods.

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How do we experimentally apply the operator ## \exp{\left(-i\phi\frac{ S_z}{\hbar}\right)}## on a quantum mechanical system? (Here ##S_z## is the spin angular momentum operator along the z-axis)
For example, on a beam of electrons?
 
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Operation on a state by an operator is a mathematical concept, you cannot always implement this operation in an experiment. What an experiment can do is, as far as I know, to measure the state (e.g. by placing a detector in the particle's flight path) and to disturb the Hamiltonian of the system (e.g. by applying external fields). From these actions on the system, in the end you will typically try to measure various observable physical quantities which are, mathematically, expressed as a Hermitian operator. As for the rotation operator you have there which is not hermitian, this is one type of unitary operator or transformation whose action is just to change the reference frame of the observer. In practice it just amounts to a trivial spin coordinate transform, in this case a rotation around a chosen z axis.
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
Operation on a state by an operator is a mathematical concept, you cannot always implement this operation in an experiment. What an experiment can do is, as far as I know, to measure the state (e.g. by placing a detector in the particle's flight path) and to disturb the Hamiltonian of the system (e.g. by applying external fields). From these actions on the system, in the end you will typically try to measure various observable physical quantities which are, mathematically, expressed as a Hermitian operator. As for the rotation operator you have there which is not hermitian, this is one type of unitary operator or transformation whose action is just to change the reference frame of the observer. In practice it just amounts to a trivial coordinate transform, in this case a rotation around a chosen z axis. You simply rotate you ruler with which you hypothetically use to measure the particle's position.
Not quite. The operator given rotates only the spin reference frame. The position frame (or equivalently the orbital frame) is unchanged.
 
mikeyork said:
Not quite. The operator given rotates only the spin reference frame. The position frame (or equivalently the orbital frame) is unchanged.
You are right, my explanation was rather loose on the last part. Editing to post #2 has been done.
 
In the particular case of ##\hat{S}_z##, you can do it by applying a magnetic field along ##z##. To see why that is the case, consider the Hamiltonian ##-\hat{\mu} \cdot \mathbf{B}##, where ##\hat{\mu}## is the magnetic moment and ##\mathbf{B}## the magnetic field, and write down the time evolution operator.
 
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