Angular momentum in close binaries

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of angular momentum in close binary star systems, exploring the formula L = M_sM_p(√(GD/M)), where M_s and M_p are the masses of the stars, G is the gravitational constant, D is the separation, and M is the total mass. Participants express curiosity about the validity of this formula in various contexts, including angular momentum loss due to gravitational waves and mass transfer.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the universality of the angular momentum formula, noting that angular momentum loss often occurs in close binaries due to factors like mass transfer and gravitational waves.
  • One participant provides a detailed derivation of the angular momentum formula, demonstrating how it is derived from the velocities and positions of the stars in the binary system.
  • Another participant humorously references a fictional author and his unconventional publications related to angular momentum, adding a light-hearted tone to the discussion.
  • Several participants express interest in exploring the suggested readings and acknowledge the complexity of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the applicability of the angular momentum formula in all scenarios, with multiple views on the effects of angular momentum loss and the complexities of binary star systems remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made in the derivation, such as the effects of angular momentum loss and the specific conditions of different types of binary stars, which are not fully addressed in the discussion.

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Does anybody know how the angular momentum of close binaries was calculated as:

L=M_sM_p(\frac{GD}{M})^\frac{1}{2}

This is something which is plaguing me so any input would be appreciated.

M=M_s+M_p, D= total separation between the two stars.

Thanks guys
 
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Kurdt said:
Does anybody know how the angular momentum of close binaries was calculated as:

L=M_sM_p(\frac{GD}{M})^\frac{1}{2}

This is something which is plaguing me so any input would be appreciated.

M=M_s+M_p, D= total separation between the two stars.

Thanks guys
Don't know if that formula always holds as there is almost always angular momentum loss in close binaries with either filled Roche Lobes or actual mass transfer. Too many types (variables) of binary stars to lump into one category. Take a look at: http://www.rri.res.in/ph217/binary.pdf and:
http://www-astro.physics.ox.ac.uk/~podsi/lecture11_c.pdf for a lot on this.
 
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Yeah I know the gravitational waves leak angular momentum away from the system and also stellar winds from the secondary trapped in magnetic loops. The momentum equation should hold as the radius of orbit changes when the angular momentum is leaked away thus allowing the secondary to fill its Roche lobe and maintain contact with the L1 point. I will have a look at the links though, thanks for replying.
 
Ahh. Forgot I posted this. I managed to work it out and for anyone who was interested here's the derivation.

First we start with summing the \mathbf{v}\times \mathbf{r} for each star in the system. This gives.

\mathbf{L_{orb}} = M_sr_sv_s\mathbf{e}_k+M-pr_pv_p\mathbf{e}_k

now v_s=r_s\Omega and similarly for the primary also we can substitute r_s=\frac{M_p}{M}D into the equation and again a similar relation is found for the primary to yield.

\mathbf{L_{orb}} =(M_s\frac{M^2_p}{M^2}D^2+M_p\frac{M^2_s}{M^2}D^2)\Omega\mathbf{e}_k

and manipulation gives

\mathbf{L_{orb}} =\frac{M_sM_p}{M^2}D^2\Omega(M_s+M_p)\mathbf{e}_k


(M_s+M_p)=M and \Omega=(\frac{GM}{D^3})^{1/2}

So

\mathbf{L_{orb}} =\frac{M_sM_p}{M^2}D^2(\frac{GM}{D^3})^{1/2}\mathbf{e}_k

\mathbf{L_{orb}} =M_sM_p(\frac{GD}{M})^{1/2}\mathbf{e}_k
 
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Kurdt,

The angular momentum of close binaries was calculated by a modest young diesel mechanic working in a sheltered workshop in Yorkshire. The young man - Winthrop Spencer Flibberdigit has since gone on to write some fascinating books released in sanskrit by "Absolutely No Frills and Assoc. Publishers". Here's just a short list of his books to date:

"The Peripatetic Life of the Sandwich Island Penguins"

"Low Orbital-Decibel ratios of Semi-Diametric Rolling Hub Caps"

"Desperate and Dateless Conversations - How My Electromagnetic Spectrum Theorem sent my Lover into a Coma"

"Dangers of The Spiral Galaxy - Fifty Bucks to Clean the Cab"

My pleasure...

DR PINKLINE JONES a.l.s.c.
 
Thank you for your input Pinkline I shall certainly investigate these publications when I next visit the library. I have several exams in the coming three weeks though so I doubt I will be able to spare any time soon. The titles definitely look interesting.
 
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Would you believe it! I managed to find one of his publications in my own personal library. "Dangers of The Spiral Galaxy - Fifty Bucks to Clean the Cab" is a most interesting journey through the derivation of angular momentum in the andromeda galaxy all on a wild night out. I particularly like the climax when he reaches his conclusions in the taxi on the way home. Also the last chapter about his abduction by aliens is well worth the read alone.
 
LOL Kurdt - I'm glad you found the book and happy to be of assistance wherever I can in cyber world. But obviously I have to fine you for possessing a sense of humour - that's a very dangerous attribute to have in this mixed up world - people look at you funny.

PINKLINE JONES
 
Well I may never have to show it again as I think I have learned a valuable lesson to read peoples posts thoroughly first time. So if you don't tell i won't. :smile:
 

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