Angular momentum quantum mechanics

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The discussion revolves around the quantum mechanics of a spin-less particle confined to the surface of a sphere with a radius of 1. The original poster presents a Hamiltonian expressed in spherical polar coordinates and seeks assistance in determining the energy eigenvalues and their degeneracies.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to relate the eigenvalues to the operator L^2 acting on a ket and suggests that the eigenvalues are l(l+1)ħ². They express uncertainty regarding the degeneracy of these states. Other participants clarify the relationship between the eigenvalue l(l+1)ħ² and the possible values of m for a given l, prompting further inquiry into the integers that l can take in this context.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the relationship between the quantum numbers l and m, with some guidance provided on determining the degeneracy associated with each eigenvalue. The original poster is encouraged to consider additional operators that commute with the Hamiltonian to specify a complete set of commuting observables.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the constraints on the values of l and m, particularly in relation to the Hamiltonian's degeneracy and the implications for the particle's representation in quantum mechanics.

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Consider a spin-less particle, mass M, confined on a sphere radius 1. It can move freely on the surface but is always at radius 1.
1. Write the Hamiltonian H=\frac{L_{op}^2}{2M} in spherical polar coords.
2. Write the energy eigenvalues, specify degeneracy of each state. (not you can omit r part of wavefunction, concentrate on \theta and \phi dependence)

I have done part one. but i am not sure how to go about part two. I am thinking that it will be just the operator L^2 acting on a ket like |l m> ? then the eigenvals are l(l+1)hbar^2? i don't see where the degeneracy will come in...any help?
 
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You have the right idea for the eigenvalues. For the degeneracies, think of how many states have the eigenvalue l(l+1)hbar^2. More directly, how many m's are possible for a given l?
 
since m=-l...+l we have 2l+1, m values. how do i know which integers i will have for l in this case, would it be just 0 and 1? Since the hamiltonian has degeneracy, how can i find what else i need to specify a complete set of commuting observables?
 
thenewbosco said:
since m=-l...+l we have 2l+1, m values. how do i know which integers i will have for l in this case, would it be just 0 and 1? Since the hamiltonian has degeneracy, how can i find what else i need to specify a complete set of commuting observables?

think what mean 2l+1: It is the dimension of SU(2) in function of the spin (weight) of the particle. In Our formal theories particles are just representations of groups, or maybe some tracks in experiments... well in any way you have a spinless particle...

bye
marco
 
You just need another operator that has eigenvalues that are functions of m that also commutes with the Hamiltonian.
 

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