Annealing before and after pellet formation

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The discussion revolves around the effects of annealing on nanoparticles, specifically comparing the outcomes of annealing before and after pellet formation in the context of Ni-Zn Ferrites synthesized via chemical coprecipitation. Participants explore the implications for particle size and related properties, as well as practical considerations for characterization methods like XRD and resistivity measurements.

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  • Some participants inquire about the specific material and synthesis conditions to better understand the implications of annealing methods.
  • One participant describes the synthesis of Ni-Zn Ferrites and notes the need for powdered samples for XRD, suggesting that particle size is determined from XRD results.
  • Another participant questions whether properties measured from pellets can be assumed to correspond to the particle size determined from a separately annealed powdered sample, indicating that practical differences may arise depending on the pelletizing pressure.
  • Concerns are raised about the porosity of pellets formed after annealing, suggesting that this method may introduce its own challenges.
  • A preliminary suggestion is made to explore the possibility of using thin pellets for XRD instead of powdered samples, indicating that this approach has been utilized by others.

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Participants express differing views on the best approach to annealing and its effects on particle size and properties. There is no consensus on which method is superior, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal annealing strategy.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific synthesis conditions and the potential variability in particle size due to different annealing methods and pressures applied during pellet formation.

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In the case of nanoparticles is there any diffrence on the results (particle size and the other properties that are dependent on particle size) of two similer samples, one of which is annealed after pellet formation and the second sample is annealed in the powdered shape and then pellet is formed.Which way is more suitable practically?

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The optimized synthesis conditions are highly specific to the material being synthesized. Can you give us more details?
1. What is the material (reactants, if involved, and final product)?
2. What is the target particle-size range?
3. What is the primary synthesis route (solid phase)?
4. Is there an established procedure that you are aware of for this?
 
I am preparing Ni-Zn Ferrites by chemical coprecipitation method, the intial reactents being the chlorides of Ni, Zn and Fe. For XRD you need powdered samples and particle size is determined from XRD, so one needs to anneal the samples in powdered form for XRD. Now in order to measure diffrent properties e.g resistivity etc you need pellet. If I take a powdered sample, divide it in two parts, anneal one part and determin the particle size from its XRD, make the pellet of the second part and then anneal it to determen diffrent properties then if it is fair to assume that these properties corresponds to the particle size determen by the first part of the sample?
There is another way as well, to anneal the sample first and then make pellets for characterization, but it come out with its own problems e.g porosity etc. The particle size is within 7 to 20 nm.Can you give me an advice to counter that problem?
Thanks.
 
wafa said:
I am preparing Ni-Zn Ferrites by chemical coprecipitation method, the intial reactents being the chlorides of Ni, Zn and Fe. For XRD you need powdered samples and particle size is determined from XRD, so one needs to anneal the samples in powdered form for XRD.
Let me make sure I understand you correctly. First of all, annealing is not something that is required to do XRD on a powder sample. But the annealing temperature is probably what eventually determines the particle size. So you want to anneal the powder sample and then use it for XRD. Is that right?

Now in order to measure diffrent properties e.g resistivity etc you need pellet. If I take a powdered sample, divide it in two parts, anneal one part and determin the particle size from its XRD, make the pellet of the second part and then anneal it to determen diffrent properties then if it is fair to assume that these properties corresponds to the particle size determen by the first part of the sample?
In theory, no. In practice, the difference may be small enough to neglect. It will depend on, among other things, the pressure applied during pelletizing. At high pressures (~ several MPa), there's a good chance that the particle size will be different.

There is another way as well, to anneal the sample first and then make pellets for characterization, but it come out with its own problems e.g porosity etc. The particle size is within 7 to 20 nm.Can you give me an advice to counter that problem?
Thanks.
Here's a priliminary suggestion:

What is the thinnest pellet you can make? Try it and figure that out. Meanwhile, find out from your XRD people if they can use a thin pellet instead of powder. It should be possible in most cases - lots of people have done XRD on sintered pellets.
 

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