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The discussion revolves around the energy released during particle annihilation, specifically proton-antiproton annihilation, and comparisons with other processes such as fusion. Participants explore the mechanics of energy release, the role of kinetic energy, and the differences in energy yields between various reactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the precise amount of energy released during proton-antiproton annihilation, suggesting it is related to the mass-energy equivalence (E=mc²).
  • One participant estimates that an at-rest proton and anti-proton would release approximately 2 x 0.938 GeV/c² in energy, while others note that additional kinetic energy from acceleration would increase the total energy released.
  • There is a discussion about the number of photons produced during annihilation, with some suggesting that the number can vary based on the angular momentum of the particles involved.
  • Participants compare the energy released in proton-antiproton annihilation to that of fusion reactions, with one stating that annihilation releases about 143 times more energy than the proton-proton chain fusion process.
  • Questions arise regarding the comparison of strong and electromagnetic forces in terms of energy release, with participants noting the need for specificity in the types of reactions being discussed.
  • Some participants express a desire for numerical comparisons in Mega Electron Volts (MeV) and further clarification on the role of kinetic energy in these processes.
  • There are requests for resources and explanations regarding atomic structure, quantum chromodynamics (QCD), and the weak force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the exact energy values or the specifics of the comparisons being made. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the energy dynamics of annihilation and fusion processes.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the energy released during annihilation can depend on various factors, including the kinetic energy of the particles and the specific conditions of the reactions being compared.

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Can someone be precise and tell how much energy is released when annihilation occurs...let's say proton-antiproton(i.e in MeV),also is there some missing energy in it that is not detected(i.e difference between predicted and observed results in energy generation)
 
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In general, annihilation ends up with two photons, each with the energy equivalent to the mass (E=mc2) of one of the particles involved.
 
I believe the total amount of energy released would be equal to the sum of the two particle masses/energy. An at rest proton and anti-proton would release 2 x 0.938 GeV/c2 in energy in the form of new particles. (Since 0.938 GeV/c2 is the rest mass of a proton.)

If you add energy into the particles before they annihilate, such as by accelerating them, they will release more energy.
 
drakkith said:
if you add energy into the particles before they annihilate, such as by accelerating them, they will release more energy.


why??
 
Because the system has more energy and energy is conserved.
 
Yeah but can someone give numbers?(i.e in MeV how much more is detected)
 
Only if you give numbers for how much more energy is added in KE. The detected energy is equal to the sum of the mass energy plus the added KE.
 
mathman said:
In general, annihilation ends up with two photons, each with the energy equivalent to the mass (E=mc2) of one of the particles involved.

Two or three, depending on the spins of the original particles. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positronium#States".
 
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DaleSpam said:
Only if you give numbers for how much more energy is added in KE. The detected energy is equal to the sum of the mass energy plus the added KE.

What is KE exacly?
 
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DaleSpam said:
Kinetic energy.

Of course! It all seems so simple now!
 
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Ok Ok...but can anyone tell the quantity of energy we get during annihilation is "HOW MANY TIMES" that of fusion?
 
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You really will need to be more specific than that. There are a lot of different fusion reactions, each one with a different yield.

For the proton-proton chain which dominates the fusion in our sun converts about 0.7% of the mass into energy. So proton-antiproton annihilation releases about 143 times more energy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton-proton_chain
 
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mathman said:
In general, annihilation ends up with two photons, each with the energy equivalent to the mass (E=mc2) of one of the particles involved.
The number of photons can vary, with low numbers being more likely, and will depend on net angular momentum. If particle-anti-particle pair has angular momentum of 1, for example, at least 3 photons have to be emitted. (Odd number, 1 being forbidden.) Though, for most (all?) particles, the probability of the pair emitting a single photon first, and decaying to a 0 orbital momentum state before annihilation is greater.
 
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DaleSpam said:
You really will need to be more specific than that. There are a lot of different fusion reactions, each one with a different yield.

For the proton-proton chain which dominates the fusion in our sun converts about 0.7% of the mass into energy. So proton-antiproton annihilation releases about 143 times more energy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton-proton_chain

Thanks for the numbers...but at the start of this thread I was looking for numbers in "Mega Electron Volts" and a comparison then,
 
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Drakkith gave you the numbers in post #3.
 
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humsafar said:
Thanks for the numbers...but at the start of this thread I was looking for numbers in "Mega Electron Volts" and a comparison then,

the answer your demanding is dependent on the input variables, like anything else. KE is just one of the input, more would include the angle of interaction if it took place in a 3D model.
 
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Few more questions,

1) What is the comparison of strong force to electromagnetism in a particle (let's say in proton), i.e how much is the strong force present as compared to em force (let's hypothetically assume releasing strong force creates 100 MeV energy, how much energy will be created releasing em force)?
 
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The electromagnetic force is what holds together molecules, so "releasing em force" is a chemical reaction. There are many different chemical reactions, you need to specify which chemical reaction you are interested in and any relevant conditions.

The strong force is what holds together nuclei, so "releasing strong force" is a nuclear reaction. There are many different nuclear reactions, you need to specify which nuclear reaction you are interested in and any relevant conditions.
 
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humsafar said:
Few more questions,

1) What is the comparison of strong force to electromagnetism in a particle (let's say in proton), i.e how much is the strong force present as compared to em force (let's hypothetically assume releasing strong force creates 100 MeV energy, how much energy will be created releasing em force)?

Fusion of Tritium and Deuterium releases about 17.6 MeV in energy, thanks to the strong nuclear force. This is thousands of times more energy than one reaction between oxygen and gasoline in an engine.
 
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Can someone give links to easy to understand ebook on atomic structure focusing on QCD, Electromagnetism...?
And other processes if possible such as fusion, annihilation ...
 
  • #22
Can someone describe the Weak force, I'm having troubles understanding its definition and what it does, please describe in detail but simple wordings if possible...
 

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