Announcement on Mars forthcoming.

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The discussion revolves around the anticipation of an announcement from the Phoenix project team regarding new findings on Mars, speculated to be more significant than the discovery of water. Participants express various hopes and theories about the nature of the findings, including the possibility of organic matter or even life.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants speculate that the announcement may involve the discovery of organic matter or evidence of life on Mars.
  • Others express skepticism, suggesting that the findings may not be as groundbreaking as anticipated, with one participant humorously suggesting the discovery of oil.
  • There are repeated references to the importance of water for life, with some arguing that nothing is more significant than water itself.
  • One participant notes that the current Martian conditions (extreme temperatures and lack of atmosphere) would be hostile to life as we know it, questioning the implications of any findings.
  • Some participants discuss the potential for microbial life, with one suggesting that even the discovery of bacteria would be significant for exobiologists.
  • There are mentions of the need for the announcement to be made soon to manage public expectations and avoid disappointment.
  • Several participants share humorous or speculative comments about what the findings could entail, including references to fictional elements and historical figures.

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Participants express a range of opinions, with no clear consensus on the nature or significance of the anticipated announcement. Some are hopeful for groundbreaking discoveries, while others remain skeptical about the implications of any findings.

Contextual Notes

There are ongoing uncertainties regarding the specifics of the findings, with some participants referencing rumors and speculative articles without definitive evidence. The discussion reflects a mix of serious inquiry and lighthearted speculation.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in astrobiology, planetary science, and the ongoing exploration of Mars may find this discussion relevant, particularly those curious about the implications of potential discoveries on extraterrestrial life.

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Didn't know where to put this, so GD for now. The Phoenix project team appear to be preparing to announce something more exciting than the mere presence of water on Mars.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/WH08018.xml&headline=White%20House%20Briefed%20On%20Potential%20For%20Mars%20Life&channel=space
 
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Do you think they called the vatican a few weeks ago to warn them ? :rolleyes:
 
I'm hoping for some organic matter.
 
hypatia said:
I'm hoping for some organic matter.

I'm hoping for footsteps :biggrin: !
 
Ah the test involved stirring water from Earth with Martian soil. It wil be interesting.
 
lisab said:
I'm hoping for footsteps :biggrin: !

I'm hoping for a Starbucks.
 


Oil.

Now, lift the off-world drilling ban!

Serious note: probably live bacteria. Nothing to see really.
 
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I like the one 'comment' on that second link---
Gerald Butler: Mars. Desert Planet. Maybe they found “Spice”!


(maybe they found MTBE)
 
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They probably found something that would increase the potential for life even more.
 
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http://c.imagehost.org/0241/foundhim.jpg

I'm having too much fun.
 
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OAQfirst said:
http://c.imagehost.org/0241/foundhim.jpg

I'm having too much fun.

Is that Jimmy Hoffa?
 
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rewebster said:
Is that Jimmy Hoffa?
lol!

Actually, it's...
Where's Waldo
 
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arildno said:
Hmm..Osama bin Laden, perhaps?

No no, the WMDs man, the WMDs!
 
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DaveC426913 said:
The rumour mill is jumping on the latest evidence from Mars. They seem to think, whatever it is, it's more important than water.

First of all there is likely nothing more important to life as we understand it than water.

Secondly, what a shocker it would be to find that Mars has a similar element distribution in the soil samples? Let's see. It aggregated into its current form most likely in its next out from the Earth slot from the sun. Would there be a reason to suppose that it would be dramatically different is all I can wonder?

But the current Martian extremes of temperature and lack of atmosphere would surely be extinction events here on Earth even if all other things were equal.

So what that there are several dimensions that are within range of satisfactory for life with so many additional hostile conditions not met nor likely to ever be met?
 
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Bush had to be briefed first ?? This means we may never know what was found.

Why did NASA have to tell an unintelligent life form that we have discovered another unintelligent life form.??
 
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edward said:
Bush had to be briefed first ?? This means we may never know what was found.

Why did NASA have to tell an unintelligent life form that we have discovered another unintelligent life form.??

"Heard about the recent news reports implying I may have found Martian life. Those reports are incorrect," she Tweeted. "Reports claiming there was a White House briefing are also untrue and incorrect."

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/08/rumors-abound-a.html
 
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Hey may be they found my boots
 
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edward said:
Bush had to be briefed first ?? This means we may never know what was found.

Why did NASA have to tell an unintelligent life form that we have discovered another unintelligent life form.??

Maybe they told him about a long lost relative?
 
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LowlyPion said:
First of all there is likely nothing more important to life as we understand it than water.

Sorry, I was misunderstood.

I was not saying there was "something more important than water to life", I simply inimtated that the discovery seems to be bigger news. While not official yet, I think we are nearing certainty that we will find conclusive evidence of water on Mars any day now. Certain enough that when it won't be Mars-shattering news...


I get the impression that this upcoming news may be even bigger - some are wildly suggesting maybe even evidence for organic molecules.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
I get the impression that this upcoming news may be even bigger - some are wildly suggesting maybe even evidence for organic molecules.
Well, the article does say that they mixed Earth water with the Mars soil.
 
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LowlyPion said:
Secondly, what a shocker it would be to find that Mars has a similar element distribution in the soil samples? Let's see. It aggregated into its current form most likely in its next out from the Earth slot from the sun. Would there be a reason to suppose that it would be dramatically different is all I can wonder?
As some wise person once said, "we just don't know until we know". Even 'confirmation of what we expect' is important new information.

LowlyPion said:
But the current Martian extremes of temperature and lack of atmosphere would surely be extinction events here on Earth even if all other things were equal.
Not for microbes. I think "mere" bacteria would send exobiologists into raptures of delight.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Not for microbes. I think "mere" bacteria would send exobiologists into raptures of delight.
The article said that they did not find bacteria.
 
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They need to announce it soon before expectations get so high that people end up disappointed.
 
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Evo said:
The article said that they did not find bacteria.
I know, I was merely refuting LowlyPion's complete hypothetical that all life would be wiped out in an extinction event - if it had existed.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
I know, I was merely refuting LowlyPion's complete hypothetical that all life would be wiped out in an extinction event - if it had existed.

My point is that there are numerous dimensional aspects (temperature, gravity, element availability, agitation, media, shelter, energy supply, etc.) to this sweet spot that has cradled and developed life through evolution on Earth and merely finding a couple of prerequisites without finding a sufficiently large enough overlap in the remaining dimensions seems a bit of a non-event to me.

Surely it would be interesting if they could find complex organics, more than say the kinds of methane lakes apparently on Titan, but I hold little hope of it.
 

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