Answer: Solve Neutrino Oscillations Eigenvalues & Eigenvectors

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The discussion revolves around neutrino oscillations, specifically focusing on the Hamiltonian for electron and muon neutrinos. The original poster presents a Hamiltonian that is not diagonal, leading to the need for eigenvalues and eigenvectors to understand the oscillation behavior.

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  • The original poster attempts to find eigenvalues and eigenvectors by solving the eigenvalue equation for the given Hamiltonian. Some participants question the correctness of the eigenvectors derived and suggest that the Hamiltonian may not be in the standard form used for neutrino oscillations.

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Participants are actively discussing the validity of the Hamiltonian and its implications for the eigenstates. There is recognition of potential errors in the original poster's calculations, particularly regarding the eigenvectors and the parameters used in the Hamiltonian. Some guidance has been offered on how to approach the eigenstates and the interpretation of the parameter Δ.

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There is mention of discrepancies in the Hamiltonian provided in the problem statement, which may affect the calculations. The definition of Δ is also under discussion, with references to its physical significance in the context of neutrino mass differences.

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Homework Statement


Considering just the electron and the muon neutrino, The Free hamiltonian is written in this basis as:

H = 1/2 (E + Δ Cos[θ]) |Ve><Ve| + 1/2 Δ Sin[θ] |Vu><Ve| + 1/2 Δ Sin[θ]|Ve><Vu| + 1/2 (E - Δ Cos[θ]) |Vu><Vu|

Since H is not diagonal in this basis, they will exhibit oscillations between them. Find the eigenstates |V1> and |V2> along with the eigenvalues E1 and E2.

Homework Equations


Book gives us:
|Ve> = Cos(θ) |V1> - Sin(θ)

|V2> |Vu> = Sin(θ)|V1> +Cos(θ) |V2>

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to do:
solve for the Eigenvalues using the eq: H-λI = 0

I arrived at two eigenvalues E1=1/2 (Δ +E) and E2=1/2 (E-Δ).

I put these two eigenvalues back in, and solve for the EigenVectors using H|v1> = E2 |v1>.
Then H|v2> = E2 |v2>...

I arrived at:

|v1> = {{(1+Cos(θ))/Sin(θ)},{1}}

|v2> = {{(1+Cos(θ))/Sin(θ)},{1}}

Now I Don't think I made an error in the math per say, but I do feel as though i should have had to do something to the non diagonal H before i attempted to find the eigenvalues?
 
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You do not have to do anything to the non-diagonal Hamiltonian apart from solving the eigenvector equation correctly (which you have not done - your eigenvalues seem correct, but you cannot have the same eigenvector for two different eigenvalues).

One thing to check is your Hamiltonian which is not on the standard form used in neutrino oscillations. The angle in the Hamiltonian should be ##2\theta## and the sign of ##\Delta## on the diagonal is switched between electron and muon neutrinos.

The quoted eigenvectors are wrong with this definition of the Hamiltonian.
 
Orodruin said:
You do not have to do anything to the non-diagonal Hamiltonian apart from solving the eigenvector equation correctly (which you have not done - your eigenvalues seem correct, but you cannot have the same eigenvector for two different eigenvalues).

One thing to check is your Hamiltonian which is not on the standard form used in neutrino oscillations. The angle in the Hamiltonian should be ##2\theta## and the sign of ##\Delta## on the diagonal is switched between electron and muon neutrinos.

The quoted eigenvectors are wrong with this definition of the Hamiltonian.
AHHH I actually typed my eigenstates in wrong from what i have here on mathematica!
V2 is supposed to be a minus instead!
And I am not sure what to do about the Hamiltonian issue, as it was provided to us on the problem statement.
I don't quite understand what Δ is supposed to represent in this case, besides something with units of energy?
 
Lawrencel2 said:

Homework Statement


Considering just the electron and the muon neutrino, The Free hamiltonian is written in this basis as:

H = 1/2 (E + Δ Cos[θ]) |Ve><Ve| + 1/2 Δ Sin[θ] |Vu><Ve| + 1/2 Δ Sin[θ]|Ve><Vu| + 1/2 (E - Δ Cos[θ]) |Vu><Vu|

Since H is not diagonal in this basis, they will exhibit oscillations between them. Find the eigenstates |V1> and |V2> along with the eigenvalues E1 and E2.

Homework Equations


Book gives us:
|Ve> = Cos(θ) |V1> - Sin(θ)|V2>

|Vu> = Sin(θ)|V1> +Cos(θ) |V2>

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to do:
solve for the Eigenvalues using the eq: H-λI = 0

I arrived at two eigenvalues E1=1/2 (Δ +E) and E2=1/2 (E-Δ).

I put these two eigenvalues back in, and solve for the EigenVectors using H|v1> = E2 |v1>.
Then H|v2> = E2 |v2>...

I arrived at:

|v1> = {{(1+Cos(θ))/Sin(θ)},{1}}

|v2> = {{(-1+Cos(θ))/Sin(θ)},{1}}

Now I Don't think I made an error in the math per say, but I do feel as though i should have had to do something to the non diagonal H before i attempted to find the eigenvalues?
Edit
 
Lawrencel2 said:
And I am not sure what to do about the Hamiltonian issue, as it was provided to us on the problem statement.

If the problem statement has exactly that Hamiltonian and quotes those eigenstates, then it is simply wrong. This can be easily checked by simply acting on one of the eigenstates with the Hamiltonian and seeing that what you get out is not proportional to the original state. If you change the ##\theta## in the eigenstates to ##\theta/2## it might work out. I suggest you rewrite your eigenstates in terms of ##\theta/2## by using the trigonometric expressions for the double angle (do not forget to normalise the states).

The quantity ##\Delta## is usually given by
$$
\Delta = \frac{\Delta m^2}{2E},
$$
where ##\Delta m^2 = m_2^2 - m_1^2## and ##m_i## is the mass of the ##i##th neutrino mass eigenstate. Heuristically, you can see this by expanding ##E =\sqrt{p^2 + m^2}## in the ultra-relativistic limit, which gives you ##E = p + m^2/(2p)## - and energy and momentum in this limit are essentially interchangeable. But as I said, this given Hamiltonian has some issues with respect to the standard definitions.
 

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