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The discussion revolves around challenging mathematical problems suitable for A-level students, focusing on equations that can be solved using indices and general algebra. Participants share various problems of differing difficulty levels and engage in problem-solving and hints without revealing complete solutions.

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  • One participant requests complicated equations solvable with indices and algebra, expressing a desire for a challenge.
  • Another participant provides a list of problems categorized by difficulty, including finding perfect squares, a specific 5-digit number, and a conjecture related to an arbitrary positive integer sequence.
  • Several participants share their attempts at solving the problems, with one noting the logical answers to the first problem and seeking hints for the second problem.
  • There is a follow-up question regarding whether an odd number can be expressed as the difference of two squares, and what happens if the condition is relaxed.
  • Participants discuss a problem involving ants on a stick, with one participant scaling down the problem for easier calculations and arriving at a conclusion about the time taken for the stick to be empty.
  • Another participant expresses confusion over a mathematical expression and seeks clarification on their approach to solving it.
  • Hints are provided informally, with one participant suggesting that the interactions of the ants can be simplified by assuming they pass through each other.

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Participants generally agree on the enjoyment of tackling challenging problems, but there are varying approaches and interpretations of the problems presented. Some solutions and methods are debated, indicating a lack of consensus on certain mathematical strategies.

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Some participants express uncertainty in their calculations and methods, indicating that their approaches may not be the most efficient or mathematically rigorous. There are also unresolved questions about the nature of certain mathematical properties discussed.

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A-level mathematics students, educators looking for challenging problems, and enthusiasts interested in mathematical reasoning and problem-solving techniques.

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Hey, I'm an A-level maths student and I was wondering if anybody has any pretty complicated equations that can be solved using just the rules of indicies and general algebra.

I ask because we're not really doing much in year 13 yet and I love a challenge when it comes to maths lol.
 
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Here are some fun ones:

Easy:
- Find two perfect squares such that their difference is 63.

- Find a 5-digit number (which is not 00000) such that the cube of the first two digits is that 5 digit number. Thus find XYZUV such that [itex]XY^3=XYZUB[/itex]

Moderate:
-Find 1000000 consecutive integers which are not prime.

- Take a regular n-gon whose vertices lie on the unit circle. Take one vertex and call it x. Draw lines between all the vertices and x. Prove that the product of the lengths of these lines is exactly n.
Generalize.

Hard:
Take the numbers [itex]1,2,3,...,2^{1000}+100[/itex]. The average of these numbers is not an integer. How many ways are there to remove 3 consecutive numbers in this sequence such that the average is an integer?

Unsolved:
Take an arbitrary positive integer [itex]x_0[/itex]. If this is even, then write [itex]x_1=x_0/2[/itex]. If [itex]x_0[/itex] is odd, then write [itex]x_1=3x_0+1[/itex]. If [itex]x_1[/itex] is even, then [itex]x_2=x_1/2[/itex]. If [itex]x_1[/itex] is odd, then [itex]x_2=3x_1+1[/itex]. Continue to define [itex]x_n[/itex].
Prove: For every arbitrary [itex]x_0[/itex] we pick, there exists an n such that [itex]x_n=1[/itex].

Good luck!
 
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Okay, I got the very first one with no mathematics at all lol, 12 and 9 were just the only logical answers that sprang to mind straight away.
However, with the second one can you give me a hint as to how I should start it, I've written down:
ABCDE=AB^3
Obviously that isn't an algebraically correct way of setting it out as that assumes A*B*C*D*E=A*(B^3).
what would you do from there, please don't tell me the answer, just give me a little nudge :P
 
nathan444 said:
Okay, I got the very first one with no mathematics at all lol, 12 and 9 were just the only logical answers that sprang to mind straight away.
However, with the second one can you give me a hint as to how I should start it, I've written down:
ABCDE=AB^3
Obviously that isn't an algebraically correct way of setting it out as that assumes A*B*C*D*E=A*(B^3).
what would you do from there, please don't tell me the answer, just give me a little nudge :P

OK, I'll write down the equation that you need to solve. You need to find [itex]0<x<100[/itex] such that

[tex]x^3-1000x<100[/tex]

Do you see what I did?
 
nathan444 said:
Okay, I got the very first one with no mathematics at all lol, 12 and 9 were just the only logical answers that sprang to mind straight away.

Follow-up question: let a be an odd number. Is a necessarily the difference of two squares?
Follow-up question: what if the condition that a is odd is dropped?
 
Some tricky questions:

Easy:
Say you have all the integers between 2 and 100 written on cards. Take the card "2". Fold the card and fold every card divisible by 2. Then take "3". Fold the card and fold every card divisible by 3 (and 6 gets to get be folded twice now). Do the same with 4,5,6,...,100.
Find the end position of the card. Which ones are folded??

Moderate:
There are 1000 ants walking on a stick. They can only walk right or left. If they bump into another ant, then they change their direction. If they come to one of the ends of the stick, then the ant falls of the stick.
Assume that the stick is 1m long and that every ant walk 0.1 m/s. How long does it maximally take for the stick to have no ants on it??
 
micromass said:
OK, I'll write down the equation that you need to solve. You need to find [itex]0<x<100[/itex] such that

[tex]x^3-1000x<100[/tex]

Do you see what I did?


Where did the 1000x bit dome from?
Sorry, it's 2:30am, I'm really tired and my head isn't working properly lol.
 
nathan444 said:
Where did the 1000x bit dome from?
Sorry, it's 2:30am, I'm really tired and my head isn't working properly lol.

Oops, it's wrong. It has to be

[tex]0<x^3-1000x<1000[/tex]

Well, try to solve it now. I won't be giving any more hints now :wink:
 
Here's another one: Can you express any whole number as the sum of distinct powers of 2? If so, can you do it for distinct powers of 3? 4? n?

Besides the actual proof-writing, it's something anyone can play around with and see what happens. And depending on your background, you could be surprised what type of things come out of this.

And here's a fun one: Are there an infinite number of primes? Are there an infinite number of primes whose difference with another prime is 2?
 
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micromass said:
Oops, it's wrong. It has to be

[tex]0<x^3-1000x<1000[/tex]

Well, try to solve it now. I won't be giving any more hints now :wink:

I understand the 1000x now.
I've got x=32

I rearranged it to 0<x(x2-1000)<1000
As x had to be a 2 digit number, I tried x=10 and x=99 but both were far out of the acceptable range.

I then used trial and error going up in multiples of 10 from 10->30 and got x=32 :)

That method seemed pretty messy though, is there a more mathematical way of working it out?
 
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micromass said:
Moderate:
There are 1000 ants walking on a stick. They can only walk right or left. If they bump into another ant, then they change their direction. If they come to one of the ends of the stick, then the ant falls of the stick.
Assume that the stick is 1m long and that every ant walk 0.1 m/s. How long does it maximally take for the stick to have no ants on it??


Okay, I had no clue with this one so I scaled it down to 10 ants on a 1cm long stick all moving at 10 cm/s

They were arranged like this:
>>>>><<<<<
and by my calculations it took 0.14 seconds for the stick to be completely empty.

Assuming it works to scale then the 1m long stick should take 14 seconds to empty.
 
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nathan444 said:
Okay, I had no clue with this one so I scaled it down to 10 ants on a 1cm long stick all moving at 10 cm/s

They were arranged like this:
>>>>><<<<<
and by my calculations it took 0.14 seconds for the stick to be completely empty.

Assuming it works to scale then the 1m long stick should take 14 seconds to empty.

Close, but it only takes at most 0.1 seconds. I'm curious as to which calculations you did, though...
 
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nathan444 said:
I understand the 1000x now.
I've got x=32

I rearranged it to 0<x(x2-1000)<1000
As x had to be a 2 digit number, I tried x=10 and x=99 but both were far out of the acceptable range.

I then used trial and error going up in multiples of 10 from 10->30 and got x=32 :)

That method seemed pretty messy though, is there a more mathematical way of working it out?

Well, you need to find x such that

[tex]0<x(x^2-1000)<1000[/tex]

So let's solve [itex]x(x^2-1000)=0[/itex], this yields [itex]x\sim 32[/itex]. So 32 should be the first number such that [itex]0<x(x^2-1000)<1000[/itex].
 
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Yeah I guess I messed the ant thing up lol.
How would you start that one off?
 
  • #15
hint: bumping doesn't matter. You can do like the ants walk through each other.
 

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