Any pointer for analyzing this matrix?

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The discussion centers around the problem of selecting a subset of rows from a matrix to minimize its condition number. Participants explore the implications of this selection in the context of least squares solutions, considering the structure of the matrix and the definition of condition number.

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  • One participant describes a matrix formed by pointwise multiplication of two matrices and seeks methods to choose L rows to minimize the condition number.
  • Another participant questions how the condition number is defined for a non-square matrix when L is not equal to K·M.
  • A later reply clarifies that the participant does not have a formal requirement for the definition of condition number, noting that the ratio of the largest to smallest singular value is a practical approach.
  • One participant suggests a potentially relevant article titled "How to find a good submatrix," providing a link for further exploration.

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Participants express differing views on the definition of condition number for non-square matrices, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to minimize the condition number.

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Row subset of matrix with lowest condition number

Hi,

I have a matrix with N rows and K\cdot M \ll N columns.
Is there a generic way to choose L rows s.t. the condition number of the matrix is minimized?
I would appreciate any pointer or any hints how I could approach the problem.
Currently I am brute forcing all possible subsets and seek for the set with the smallest condition number but this is nearly undeasible.

I do not think it helps but if it does, this is the structure of the matrix: Is is a pointwise multiplication of 2 matrices. The first summand consists of K vertical "ribbons" of size N \times M. Each consists of M equal columns where the columns are the DFT of a power of a discrete random(like) signal (I do not know if this matters ...)
The second summand consists of K equal Vandermonde matrices (to be precicse, the first M columns of the DFT matrix).
Formally:

<br /> \left[\begin{matrix} \mathbf{A}_1 &amp; \mathbf{A}_2 &amp; \cdots &amp; \mathbf{A}_K \end{matrix}\right] * \left[\underbrace{\begin{matrix}\mathbf{V} &amp; \mathbf{V} &amp; \cdots &amp; \mathbf{V} \end{matrix}}_{K-\mathrm{times}}\right]<br />

where * denotes point-wise multiplication.

<br /> \mathbf{A}_k = \left[\underbrace{\begin{matrix}<br /> \mathrm{DFT}(x_n^{k-1})^T &amp; \cdots &amp; \mathrm{DFT}(x_n^{k-1})^T<br /> \end{matrix}}_{M-\mathrm{times}}\right]<br />

<br /> \mathbf{V} = \left[\begin{matrix}<br /> 1 &amp; 1 &amp; 1 &amp; \cdots &amp; 1 \\<br /> 1 &amp; u^1 &amp; u^2 &amp; \cdots &amp; u^M \\<br /> 1 &amp; u^2 &amp; u^4 &amp; \cdots &amp; u^{2M} \\<br /> \vdots &amp; \ddots &amp; \ddots &amp; \ddots &amp; \vdots \\<br /> 1 &amp; u^N &amp; u^{2N} &amp; \cdots &amp; u^{NM}<br /> \end{matrix}\right]<br />

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divB said:
I have a matrix with N rows and K\cdot M \ll N columns.
Is there a generic way to choose L rows s.t. the condition number of the matrix is minimized?

If you choose L \ne K\cdot M, I'm curious how you define the "condition number" of the resulting non-square matrix.
 
Hi Stephen,

Thanks. I have no formal requirement for this. The system should be solved via LS and stability and accuracy increases as the condition number decreases. Which definition is exactly used is not so relevant to me; the ratio between largest and smallest singular value works pretty well (cond in MATLAB) and of course works for any, non-square matrix.

divB
 

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