AP Physics C E/M: Should I Claim Credit?

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The discussion revolves around whether a student should claim credit for an Electromagnetism (E/M) class after receiving a score of 4 on the AP Physics C exam, which primarily covered mechanics. The student is preparing to major in electrical engineering and is considering the implications of their AP score on future coursework, particularly in relation to the prerequisites for an electromagnetic engineering class.

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Main Points Raised

  • The student expresses uncertainty about claiming credit for the E/M class given their limited exposure to magnetism during their AP studies.
  • One participant advises against retaking the class, suggesting that forgetting material is common but may not necessitate a retake.
  • Another participant notes that a score of 4 might indicate a lack of mastery, implying that a solid understanding of the material is crucial for success in future classes.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the importance of having a strong foundation in vector calculus, as the upcoming electromagnetic engineering class will likely require knowledge of Maxwell's equations in differential forms.
  • One participant highlights that the E/M class may serve as a valuable review of vector calculus, which is essential for the student's future studies.
  • The student contemplates whether to take the class for a grade or simply claim credit, indicating a desire for further clarification on their confidence in the material.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the student should claim credit for the E/M class or retake it. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the necessity of retaking the class based on the student's understanding and the prerequisites for future courses.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects varying levels of confidence in the student's preparedness for advanced topics in electromagnetism, with some participants emphasizing the importance of prior knowledge in vector calculus and differential equations.

Who May Find This Useful

Students considering claiming credit for AP courses, particularly in physics and engineering disciplines, as well as those evaluating the impact of AP exam scores on their academic trajectory.

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Last year, my senior year of high school, I took an AP Physics C class which was devoted solely to mechanics. Starting over spring break I self-studied e/m with an assignment schedule from my teacher. I ran out of time when the ap test came around and ended up only skimming the sections over magnetism. I was really surprised when scores came back and I received a 4. Now I'm debating whether or not I should claim credit for the e/m class.

I will be an electrical engineering major at UT-austin starting this fall. The e/m physics class is a prereq for "electromagnetic engineering." The description of which is:


PHP:
Catalog Description:  325. Electromagnetic Engineering. Introduction to electrostatics and magnetostatics; properties of conductive, dielectric, and magnetic materials; solutions of Maxwell's equations; uniform plane wave applications; frequency- and time-domain analyses of transmission lines. Prerequisite: Physics 303L and 103N and Mathematics 427K with a grade of at least C in each. 

Draft of Course topics:

1.  Electrostatics(>4 weeks):  

Coulomb’s law, Gauss’s law (integral and differential forms, divergence), electric scalar potential (line integral, gradient), Laplace and Poisson’s equations (Laplacian), conduction and polarization, boundary conditions on conductors and between dielectrics, method of images, resistance and capacitance   

 

2.  Magnetostatics (>2 weeks):  

Biot-Savart law, Ampere’s law (integral and differential forms, curl), magnetic vector potential, Lorentz force, magnetization, boundary conditions between magnetic materials, magnetic energy and inductance

 

3.  Electrodynamics (>5 weeks):  

(a)  Maxwell’s equations, Faraday’s induction, displacement current 

(b)  Plane wave propagation in free space and in materials, Poynting vector, reflection and transmission of plane waves at media boundary, standing wave ratio

(c)  Transmission lines, solution to transmission line equations, source/load problems, Smith chart, transients on transmission lines

 

4.  Vectors analysis (1 week, can be integrated into the electromagnetics coverage):

Vector algebra, vector calculus (divergence, gradient, curl, Laplacian), coordinate systems (Cartesian, cylindrical and spherical)

So will it be easy enough for me to grasp these concepts without retaking an e/m class? Should I claim credit for it and take the class anyways, not having to worry about my grade?
It will be atleast a semester if not 2 or 3 before I take the electromagnetic engineering class.

Any insight would be much appreciated.
 
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I don't recommend re-taking the class. Although you might (will) forget what you "skimmed" over after some time.
 
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It depends. I got a 4 in EM as well, and I think that means we both kind of failed the exam (cutoff for a 5 is like below 60%). But as long as you can do math and have an affinity for the subject, it shouldn't be unreasonable.
 
My advice: Don't re-take unless the class offered at your university teaches is with a prerequisite of vector calculus (or at least corequisite).
 
The class says you must have credit for or be enrolled in the multivariable calculus class. Could you elaborate more on the reasoning behind your advice nabeshin? Thanks.
 
If the class has multivariable as a pre or co requisite, you will likely be studying Maxwell's equations in the differential forms, which is different from how they are presented in a physics C class. Since Physics C only assumes basic calc I and calc II knowledge, you simply can't study a lot of things in the same depth as you can with multivariable. Also, the class likely serves as a good brush up on vector calculus (which it looks like will be used a lot in your next class).
 
That makes sense. Thanks a lot for the help. Looks like I will definitely retake the class, now I just need to figure out if I'm confident enough to take it for a grade or claim credit and just retake it.
 

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