Apostol: infinity as finite point

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The discussion revolves around a potential typo in Apostol's "Mathematical Analysis" regarding the definitions of the extended real number system R* and the regular real number system R. Participants explore the implications of how points are classified as finite or infinite within these systems, focusing on the notation and definitions used in the text.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether Apostol's statement about points in R being finite is correct, suggesting it should refer to points in R* instead.
  • Another participant agrees with the interpretation that points in R, as a subset of R*, are finite, while +∞ and -∞ are considered infinite.
  • There is clarification that the open interval (-∞, ∞) does not include its endpoints, which are the infinite points.
  • A participant emphasizes their understanding of the difference between open and closed intervals, asserting that R* is indeed denoted by the closed interval [-∞, ∞].
  • One participant requests information about where to find the first edition of the book, indicating interest in specific proofs not present in the second edition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of Apostol's text, with no consensus reached on whether the classification of points as finite or infinite is accurately stated. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the potential typo and its implications.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations related to the clarity of Apostol's notation and definitions, as well as the potential impact of scanning errors on the interpretation of the text. The discussion also highlights the importance of precise mathematical language in distinguishing between finite and infinite points.

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I found a torrent online of Apostol's "Mathematical Analysis" 1st edition and I think I found a typo, or whoever scanned the book cut off the edge a bit...

Apostol writes that the extended real number system R* is denoted by [-∞, +∞] while the regular real number system R is denoted by (-∞, ∞). Then he says "The points in R are called 'finite' to distinguish them from the 'infinite' points +∞ and -∞. " Shouldn't it read that the points in R* are finite, not the points in R? Because if you include infinity in the interval, you are treating it as a finite point?

The "R" is the sentence that I quoted above is a the very edge of the page so it could be that the scanner of the book cut off the " * " accidentally, but I just want to confirm...
 
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kahwawashay1 said:
I found a torrent online of Apostol's "Mathematical Analysis" 1st edition and I think I found a typo, or whoever scanned the book cut off the edge a bit...

Apostol writes that the extended real number system R* is denoted by [-∞, +∞] while the regular real number system R is denoted by (-∞, ∞). Then he says "The points in R are called 'finite' to distinguish them from the 'infinite' points +∞ and -∞. " Shouldn't it read that the points in R* are finite, not the points in R? Because if you include infinity in the interval, you are treating it as a finite point?

The "R" is the sentence that I quoted above is a the very edge of the page so it could be that the scanner of the book cut off the " * " accidentally, but I just want to confirm...

I think he means that the points in R (as a subset of R*) are called finite. So in R*, the numbers 3, -6, and pi are finite. +/-infinity are infinite.
 
SteveL27 said:
I think he means that the points in R (as a subset of R*) are called finite. So in R*, the numbers 3, -6, and pi are finite. +/-infinity are infinite.


ohhh i see...so basically R, by not including infinity, contains only finite points, and the opposite is true of R*. thanks Steve!
 
"Infinty" is not included in the open interval (-\infty,\infty). An open interval does not contain its end points.

Be careful about the notation for an open inteval ( ) and a closed interval [ ].
 
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AlephZero said:
"Infinty" is not included in the open interval (-\infty,\infty). An open interval does not contain its end points.

Be careful about the notation for an open inteval ( ) and a closed interval [ ].

thanks but I do know the difference between open and closed interval.
R* is denoted by closed interval [-∞,∞] and R by open. I am assuming you thought that there cannot be a thing as [-∞, ∞] ? Thats what I thought too until I read the above mentioned book lol
 
can you tell me where did you find the torrent for the first edition cause i can only found the second one and there is some proof which is only in the first one
Thank you
 

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