Apparent Magnitude: Meaning & 3 Star System

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of "apparent magnitude" of stars, specifically in relation to a system involving three stars. Participants explore its definition, implications for brightness perception, and the logarithmic nature of the magnitude scale.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants define "apparent magnitude" as the brightness of a star as observed from Earth, noting its logarithmic scale where lower values indicate brighter stars.
  • There is uncertainty regarding the phrase "system of 3 stars," with one participant suggesting it may involve comparing an unknown star to three known stars, possibly referencing the delta Cephei experiment.
  • One participant explains that the magnitude scale is not linear, indicating that three stars of apparent magnitude 3 would collectively appear as bright as a single star of apparent magnitude 1.8, and suggests a method for calculating combined brightness through luminosity conversion.
  • Another participant emphasizes that apparent magnitude is a measure of brightness that varies with distance, and clarifies that its units differ from those of energy/time, referencing historical context from Hipparchus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of "apparent magnitude" and its measurement, with no consensus reached on the specifics of the "system of 3 stars" or its implications.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential ambiguity in the definition of "system of 3 stars," and the need for clarity on how apparent magnitude relates to actual brightness and distance.

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What is the meaning of: "the apparent magnitude of a star is obtain with a system of 3 stars"?

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"apparent magnitude" is how bright a star looks from earth.
It's on a rather odd log scale from 0=brightest, 6 is the about the limit with your eye, 26 is about the record for a big telescope.

Not sure about the "system of 3 stars" could mean either that you compare the unknown star with 3 known stars nearby ( is this the delta cephei experiment) .
The star Vega used to be defined as magnitude 0 but then you just use each magnitude being 2.5 times fainter than the previous - there is no standard mag=1,2,3 etc star.
 
Sounds live an equivalent single star brightness question. The magnitude scale is logarithmic, so magnitudes do not multiply of divide linearly. For example 3 stars of apparent magnitude 3 would collectively appear about as bright as one star of apparent magnitude 1.8. The most straightforward way to obtain combined brightness of individual stars is to convert each individual magnitudes to luminosity, add them up and then convert back to magnitude.
 
"Apparent magnitude" is a kind of brightness quantity. But as you guess, brightness depends on the distance between observer and a object. Apparent magnitude is just the brightness, when you observe it from the Earth with, or from space telescope from space. But be careful, its unit is not just the same with brightness(whose is energy/time). After Hipparchus, who was the first sky watcher to determine the locations of the stars, and he also labeled the brightest star as 1 magnitude, and the faintest with 6 magnitude.
 

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