Application of sets with higher cardinality

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The discussion revolves around the application of sets with higher cardinality, specifically those larger than the cardinality of the set of real numbers, in various branches of mathematics. Participants explore potential uses of these sets beyond pure set theory, touching on areas such as functional analysis, topology, and category theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that sets with cardinality ##2^{\aleph_0}## have applications in fields like complex analysis.
  • There is a question about whether branches of mathematics exist that utilize sets with cardinality larger than that of the reals.
  • One participant mentions that the set of all real-valued functions has a higher cardinality and suggests functional analysis as a relevant field.
  • Another participant references the utility of Lebesgue integrals and Kurepa's hypothesis in algebraic fields, while cautioning about its implications regarding inaccessible cardinals.
  • Category theory is discussed, with a participant stating that categories can have any cardinality, often being too large to be sets, and mentioning the category of vector spaces as an example.
  • One participant highlights specific structures with cardinality greater than ##2^{\aleph_0}##, such as the Stone-Cech compactification of ##\mathbb{N}## and the set of all Lebesgue-measurable subsets of ##\mathbb{R}##.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the applications of higher cardinality sets, with no consensus on specific branches of mathematics that utilize them. The discussion remains open-ended regarding the implications and uses of these sets.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific assumptions about cardinality and the nature of mathematical structures, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Sets with cardinality ##2^{\aleph_0}##, that is, with cardinality of the set of real numbers, obviously have many applications in other branches of mathematics outside of pure set theory. For example, real any complex analysis is completely based on such sets.

How about higher cardinality? Is there a branch of mathematics (outside of pure set theory) which uses sets with cardinality larger than that of reals?
 
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Demystifier said:
Sets with cardinality ##2^{\aleph_0}##, that is, with cardinality of the set of real numbers, obviously have many applications in other branches of mathematics outside of pure set theory. For example, real any complex analysis is completely based on such sets.

How about higher cardinality? Is there a branch of mathematics (outside of pure set theory) which uses sets with cardinality larger than that of reals?

The set of all real-valued functions has a higher cardinality.
 
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PeroK said:
The set of all real-valued functions has a higher cardinality.
But which branch of mathematics really deals with all such functions? Functional analysis?
 
Demystifier said:
But which branch of mathematics really deals with all such functions? Functional analysis?

Yes, that's the basis of functional analysis. The study of sets of functions or operators on a topological space.
 
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Demystifier said:
Sets with cardinality ##2^{\aleph_0}##, that is, with cardinality of the set of real numbers, obviously have many applications in other branches of mathematics outside of pure set theory. For example, real any complex analysis is completely based on such sets.

How about higher cardinality? Is there a branch of mathematics (outside of pure set theory) which uses sets with cardinality larger than that of reals?

In Category Theory, categories can be of any cardinality but generally they are too large to even be sets.
For instance, the category of vector spaces and linear maps is too large to be a set.

Different assumptions about the cardinality of the Reals, imply different results in Analysis. This is not exactly your question since whatever the assumption it is still about the cardinality of the Real numbers.
 
lavinia said:
In Category Theory, categories can be of any cardinality but generally they are too large to even be sets.
For instance, the category of vector spaces and linear maps is too large to be a set.
Are you saying that it is a proper class?
 
Demystifier said:
Are you saying that it is a proper class?

Yes.

Now, I don't really know many situations where you are dealing with all subsets or functions on ##\mathbb{R}##. But there are some important structures with cardinality bigger than ##2^{\aleph_0}##. For example

1) The Stone-Cech compactification of ##\mathbb{N}## has cardinality ##2^{2^{\aleph_0}}##. This is studied in topology.
2) The set of all Lebesgue-measurable subsets of ##\mathbb{R}## has cardinality ##2^{2^{\aleph_0}}##. This shows up occasionally in analysis, although using the Borel sets is more popular (the Borel sets have cardinality ##2^{\aleph_0}##).
 
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