Applied Physics & Math: Achieving Research Goals w/out Teaching

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The discussion revolves around the concerns of a participant interested in majoring in Applied Physics and possibly double majoring in mathematics, while expressing a desire to avoid a career in teaching or academia. The focus includes considerations of career paths, the nature of applied physics versus engineering, and the implications of these choices for future research opportunities.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a strong preference for research over teaching and seeks advice on how to avoid becoming a teacher or professor.
  • Another participant suggests considering engineering as an alternative path.
  • Some participants discuss the differences between applied physics and engineering degrees, noting that hiring managers may view them differently.
  • A participant shares personal experience, indicating that physics graduates may face more challenges in job markets compared to engineering graduates.
  • There is a debate about the nature of work in engineering versus physics, with some participants asserting that engineering involves theorizing and practical application, while others emphasize a preference for theoretical work.
  • One participant suggests that if the goal is to secure a job after a bachelor's degree, engineering may be the better option, while applied physics could be suitable for those considering graduate studies.

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The discussion reflects multiple competing views regarding the value and perception of applied physics versus engineering degrees, as well as differing opinions on career aspirations and paths. No consensus is reached on the best approach to avoid teaching roles or the suitability of applied physics compared to engineering.

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Participants express varying assumptions about job market dynamics and the nature of work in physics and engineering, which may influence their perspectives on career choices.

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I want to major in Applied Physics in college, and maybe double major with math. I will probably go on to get a Masters or PhD in Physics or Applied Physics.

My problem is this: I don't want to be a physics professor or teacher. I have heard lots of stories of people wanting to do other things in a certain field, only to end up as a physics teacher.

No offense to physics teachers, though. I just personally don't really like, and suck at, explaining things to people. I can absolutely see why people want to become teachers and respect them for that, personally, though, I would just prefer to do research.

This may be kind of a bad question, but what is the best way to make sure I don't end up as a teacher or professor? I would much prefer doing research somewhere. I have read ZapperZ guide.

I'm just curious if there's anything specific I should do, or anything specific I should avoid.

Thanks! And please don't take offense, teachers. :blushing:
 
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Have you considered studying engineering?
 
Don't apply for teaching jobs then.
 
lisab said:
Have you considered studying engineering?
Kind of, but what I would enjoy doing the most is theorizing some method of doing something, then making it come to life. I would rather study physics than engineering because I like theory, but I also like doing a little engineering. I suppose I'm thinking that applied physics is kind of like a physics major and a mechanical (or whatever) engineering minor tied together. Am I thinking right? I kind of just threw applied physics out there because I wasn't quite sure what I wanted to do yet.

odinsthunder said:
Don't apply for teaching jobs then.
I'm just worried that that could become my only option.
 
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guss said:
Kind of, but what I would enjoy doing the most is theorizing some method of doing something, then making it come to life. I would rather study physics than engineering because I like theory, but I also like doing a little engineering. I suppose I'm thinking that applied physics is kind of like a physics major and a mechanical (or whatever) engineering minor tied together. Am I thinking right? I kind of just threw applied physics out there because I wasn't quite sure what I wanted to do yet.


I'm just worried that that could become my only option.

My $0.02: no, an applied physics degree wouldn't be the same as an engineering degree -- to a hiring manager. That's who you need to convince otherwise, and that can be tough.

What you describe - theorizing a solution and making it work - that's done all the time by engineers.

Full disclosure: my background is in physics and in general, I've had a harder time getting a job than engineers. Engineers don't have to convince anyone of their skills, they don't have to market themselves as hard as those with a physics degree, IMO. So when people write in that they are on the fence between the two, I usually nudge towards engineering.
 
lisab said:
My $0.02: no, an applied physics degree wouldn't be the same as an engineering degree -- to a hiring manager. That's who you need to convince otherwise, and that can be tough.

What you describe - theorizing a solution and making it work - that's done all the time by engineers.

Full disclosure: my background is in physics and in general, I've had a harder time getting a job than engineers. Engineers don't have to convince anyone of their skills, they don't have to market themselves as hard as those with a physics degree, IMO. So when people write in that they are on the fence between the two, I usually nudge towards engineering.
Really? I would rather derive an equation, or discover something new, and then put it to work, or possibly do research. That's not what I usually imagine engineers doing, but I could be wrong though. So you still think I should go engineer?
 
guss said:
Really? I would rather derive an equation, or discover something new, and then put it to work, or possibly do research. That's not what I usually imagine engineers doing, but I could be wrong though. So you still think I should go engineer?

If you only want to get a job afters bachelors than do engineering, if you want to go on to graduate school applied physics is a good mix of theory and application.
 

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