Applying variational principles to that metric describes a black hole

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The discussion centers on the Schwarzschild metric, specifically the equation ds² = -c²(1 - 2Gm/c²r)dt² + (1 - 2Gm/c²r)⁻¹dr² + r²dΩ², which describes a black hole's geometry. Participants clarify that the statement "Applying variational principles to that metric describes a black hole" is misleading; the metric itself is sufficient to indicate a black hole's presence. The discussion also touches on similarities between this metric and Miguel Alcubierre's warp-drive equation, highlighting the importance of understanding the Schwarzschild metric's implications in general relativity.

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ds^{2} = -c^{2}(1 - \frac{2Gm}{c^{2}r})dt^{2} + (1 - \frac{2Gm}{c^{2}r})^{-1} dr^{2} + r^{2}d\Omega^{2}

This equation was posted on a different website and the O.P said:"Applying variational principles to that metric describes a black hole!"

I was wondering if anyone could explain it a little better. Also, to anyone knows who Miguel Alcubierre is (the guy that created an equation for a hypothetical warp-drive); the above equation shows some similarities to his:

ds^{2} = -dt^{2} + (dx - v_{s}f(r_{s}dt)^{2} + dy^{2} + dz^{2}

Does this have any implications, be they big or small? Anyone have any inputs on this?
 
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in M. Alcubierre's equation the "s" in the superscript of "v and r" are supposed to be subscripts, I just couldn't get them to work. btw
 
physx_420 said:
This equation was posted on a different website and the O.P said:"Applying variational principles to that metric describes a black hole!"

Unless I'm missing something, you can cut the part about "Applying variational principles to..." The correct statement would simply be: "[T]hat metric describes a black hole!" This is simply the standard form of the Schwarzschild metric, as far as I can see.
 
The first metric you show is the Scwarzschild exterior of a radially symmetric source with a singularty at r=0 and a horizon at r=2GM/c^2.

Look up 'Scwarzschild metric' on Wiki.

[Ben - snap]
 
bcrowell said:
Unless I'm missing something, you can cut the part about "Applying variational principles to..." The correct statement would simply be: "[T]hat metric describes a black hole!" This is simply the standard form of the Schwarzschild metric, as far as I can see.

I think we should acknowledge that the standard Schwarzschild metric can also represent the vacuum region outside a regular non-rotating uncharged non-singular massive body that is not a black hole.
 
Good point, kev.

Lut, what does "[Ben - snap]" mean?
 

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