Aproximate ground state wave functions

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The discussion revolves around the variational method applied to the simple harmonic oscillator (SHO) in quantum mechanics. The original poster is exploring various trial wave functions to approximate the ground state and first excited state of the SHO.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster lists several trial wave functions, including Gaussian and polynomial forms, and seeks suggestions for additional functions. Some participants question the necessity of using exact functions and discuss the rationale behind using trial functions in the variational method.

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Participants are actively engaging in exploring different types of functions that could serve as trial wave functions. There is a recognition of the need for straightforward functions suitable for the variational method, and some guidance has been offered regarding the structure of potential test functions.

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There is an emphasis on the use of trial wave functions and the minimization process to evaluate deviations from exact solutions. The discussion includes considerations of polynomial and exponential terms in constructing these functions.

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So to test the variational method of simple harmonic oscillator I am using some functions that can be a good approximations, such as:

Gaussian: [tex]\psi(x)=Ae^{-bx^2}[/tex]
Polynomial: [tex]\psi(x)=1-bx^2+\frac{b^2 x^4}{2}[/tex] (I just expanded the Gaussian into Taylor, I can use just quadratic term, it doesn't matter)
Rational function: [tex]\psi(x)=\frac{A}{x^2+b^2}[/tex]

So can you suggest some more functions that can describe the ground state, and perhaps the first excited state for SHO?

Thanks...
 
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Why can't you use the exact functions?
 
Because I'm using variational method and the point is that I use a trial wave function, find eigenvalue and then minimize it by some small parameter to see what is the deviation from the exact solution...
 
dingo_d said:
Because I'm using variational method and the point is that I use a trial wave function, find eigenvalue and then minimize it by some small parameter to see what is the deviation from the exact solution...

So I would work backwards actually: Write down the exact functions (I guess you know them from your lecture? Otherwise they are easy to find) and build the to-be-varied functions by adding some more orders (polynomial / exponential, products of exponential and polynomial functions). Replace coefficients by parameters to be varied.
 
I mean are there any more types of functions that would approximate ground state and first excited state of SHO? Or do I just, as you said, try to plot them in Mathematica and see what looks kinda ok?
 
My idea was to generate a test function that already contains the correct functions if some of the coefficients become zero. (I hope that I understood the problem correctly and this is a permitted approach.)

The exact functions are built from products of polynomial expressions and exponential functions (Hermite polynomials).

If you start from something like this, you should get A = 0 for the first excited state and B = 0 for the ground state.

[tex]\psi(x)=Ae^{-bx^2} + Bxe^{-bx^2}[/tex]

If you need more parameters to be varied I would add e.g.

[tex]Cx^2e^{-bx^2}[/tex]

The point I wanted to make is: I would use a test function that contains 'mixed' terms, not only Gaussian functions or polynomials.
 
I see, cool approach, but I guess I just need straightforward functions that I can just use in variational method.

I think that those 3 will do fine for the ground state and that I'll just have to try to see what other I can use for excited state.

Thanks for the help :)
 

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