APS reconsiders its official statement on AGW?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the reconsideration of the American Physical Society's (APS) official statement on anthropogenic global warming (AGW). Participants explore the implications of the original statement, a proposed new statement, and the scientific validity of claims regarding climate change. The scope includes theoretical, conceptual, and political dimensions of climate science.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about which APS statement to support in light of a petition from over 160 members questioning the original statement's scientific basis.
  • A proposed new statement suggests that while greenhouse gas emissions are linked to human activity, historical temperature records indicate that recent climate changes are not exceptional compared to past periods.
  • Others argue that the proposed statement reflects a misunderstanding of statistical principles, citing specific climate events like the 1998 El Niño and the 2008 La Niña as examples of variability that complicate trend analysis.
  • Concerns are raised about the influence of politics on scientific discourse regarding climate change, suggesting that some may downplay their convictions to maintain support.
  • A mention is made of the National Academy of Sciences investigating climate change, indicating ongoing scientific scrutiny of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some supporting the original APS statement and others advocating for the proposed revision. Disagreement exists regarding the interpretation of climate data and the influence of external factors on scientific conclusions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the proposed statement's reliance on historical data and statistical analysis, indicating a need for more comprehensive understanding of climate trends over longer periods.

seycyrus
I received this email from APS headquarters this morning. A bit unclear to me whether or not one is meant to email them in support of *which* statement.

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In 2007 the APS Council adopted a statement on global warming that reads as follows:

“Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate. Greenhouse gases include carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and other gases. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and agricultural processes.
The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.
Because the complexity of the climate makes accurate prediction difficult, the APS urges an enhanced effort to understand the effects of human activity on the Earth’s climate, and to provide the technological options for meeting the climate challenge in the near and longer terms. The APS also urges governments, universities, national laboratories and its membership to support policies and actions that will reduce the emission of greenhouse gases.”

We note that this strong statement was adopted without any consultation with the membership.

At its May meeting the Council received a petition from a large group of Members and Fellows (now numbering over 160), saying that the Society position was not supported by the science, asking for its reconsideration, proposing an alternate, and suggesting that the Society undertake a real and impartial study of the scientific situation.

On November 8, the Council will meet to decide what to do about the Statement. We urge you to let the Councilors know if you believe the Statement is a fair representation of the scientific position through an e-mail to any or all of them (email addresses provided below).

Since the addressees of this note represent only a sample of the membership, we would also urge you to pass this on.

Details on the petition that triggered the review, the signers of the petition, and other relevant information can be found at http://tinyurl.com/lg266u.

Bob Austin APS Fellow
Roger Cohen APS Fellow
Hal Lewis APS Fellow

Councilors:

Robert H. Austin austin@princeton.edu
Christina Back backca@fusion.gat.com
Akif Balantekin baha@physics.wisc.edu
Bruce Barrett bbarrett@physics.arizona.edu
Shobo Bhattacharya shobo@tifr.res.in
Betsy Beise beise@umd.edu
James G. Brasseur brasseur@psu.edu
Marcela Carena carena@fnal.gov
Janet Conrad Conrad@mit.edu
Charles D. Dermer charles.dermer@nrl.navy.mil
Theodore Einstein einstein@umd.edu
Arthur Epstein Epstein.2@osu.edu
David Ernst david.j.ernst@vanderbilt.edu
Katherine Freese ktfreese@umich.edu
Heather Galloway Galloway@txstate.edu
David Hammer rainer.kunz@coldquanta.com
Philip Hammer pwhammer@gmail.com
Wendell Hill wth@umd.edu
P.S. Julienne paul.julienne@nist.gov
David Landau dlandau@hal.physast.uga.edu
Nancy Levinger levinger@lamar.colostate.edu
Nergis Mavalvala nergis@ligo.mit.edu
Scott Milner smilner@engr.psu.edu
Jorge Pulline pullin@lsu.edu
Mark Reeves reevesme@gwu.edu
Steven Rolston Rolston@umd.edu
Ronald Ruth rruth@slac.stanford.edu
Gay Stewart gstewart@uark.edu
Roger Stuewer rstuewer@physics.umn.edu
Stefan Zollner zollner@mailaps.org

And the president and president elect, as ex officio members:

Cherry A. Murray (President) camurray@seas.harvard.edu
Curtis G. Callan (President elect) ccallan@princeton.edu

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Here is the new, proposed statement.

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Greenhouse gas emissions, such as carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide, accompany human industrial and agricultural activity. While substantial concern has been expressed that emissions may cause significant climate change, measured or reconstructed temperature records indicate that 20th 21st century changes are neither exceptional nor persistent, and the historical and geological records show many periods warmer than today. In addition, there is an extensive scientific literature that examines beneficial effects of increased levels of carbon dioxide for both plants and animals.


Studies of a variety of natural processes, including ocean cycles and solar variability, indicate that they can account for variations in the Earth’s climate on the time scale of decades and centuries. Current climate models appear insufficiently reliable to properly account for natural and anthropogenic contributions to past climate change, much less project future climate.


The APS supports an objective scientific effort to understand the effects of all processes – natural and human --on the Earth’s climate and the biosphere’s response to climate change, and promotes technological options for meeting challenges of future climate changes, regardless of cause.


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seycyrus said:
measured or reconstructed temperature records indicate that 20th 21st century changes are neither exceptional nor persistent
This is bad science, as it shows a poor understanding of the basic laws of statistics. There was a high peak in 1998 with an exceptional "el nino" whereas 2008 had the opposite "la nina". We may be more or less flat over this period, but it remains that we need more than a decade to make statements about global trends : for instance, 78 to 98 shows a clear 0.16 per decade in agreements with most models around 0.2
 
humanino said:
This is bad science, as it shows a poor understanding of the basic laws of statistics. There was a high peak in 1998 with an exceptional "el nino" whereas 2008 had the opposite "la nina". We may be more or less flat over this period, but it remains that we need more than a decade to make statements about global trends : for instance, 78 to 98 shows a clear 0.16 per decade in agreements with most models around 0.2

Its a decade long trend during the decade in which we have had the most intense politisizing of the issue. It may be in their best interest to down play their conviction in order to maintain support.
 
The National Academy of Sciences is looking into Climate Change.

 
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