Aqueous equilibria, buffered solutions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around two homework problems related to aqueous equilibria and buffered solutions, specifically focusing on calculating pH and equilibrium constants. Participants explore methods for solving these problems, including the use of the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation and ICE tables.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation to simplify the calculation of pH in the first problem.
  • Another participant suggests writing the equations for Ksp, Kf, and K to express K in terms of Ksp and Kf.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the validity of their assumptions regarding the concentrations in the buffer problem, specifically the approximations made for y+x and 0.5-x.
  • One participant notes that the concentration of H+ is not the primary focus of the first problem and questions the initial concentration of HCO3- provided by the original poster.
  • The original poster acknowledges a mistake in the concentration of HCO3- and realizes that they do know the [H+] based on the desired pH of 10.00.
  • Another participant suggests using the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation as a straightforward approach to the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of confidence in their assumptions and approaches, with some acknowledging mistakes and others offering alternative methods. There is no clear consensus on the best method to solve the problems, and uncertainty remains regarding the assumptions made in the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of the assumptions required for the buffer problem and the need for clarity on the initial concentrations and equilibrium conditions.

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I have two problems.

Homework Statement



How many moles of Na2CO3 must be dissolved in 250 mL of 0,125 M NaHCO3 so that the solution has a pH of 10,00?


Homework Equations



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The powers of the concentrations are the coefficients in the chemical equation. The products of the equation are in the numerator, and the reactants in the denominator.

The Attempt at a Solution



I have an idea for a solution, but I have no way of checking whether it's correct. My solution is as follows.

The sodium ions can be ignored because they have no significant effect on the pH.

The equation is: HCO3- ⇔ H+ + CO32-

I set [CO3]2-=y, and to equilibrium this concentration changes to y+x, but I assume that x is very small compared to y so y+x ≈ y. The same applies to HCO32-. The initial concentration of that is 0,5 M, and it occurs change towards equilibrium that is 0,5 M - x, which is essentially 0,5 M.

If I'm allowed to do the above, the problem is easy. I know Ka for HCO32- so all I have to do is plug everything I know into the Ka equation and solve for [H+].

Homework Statement



In a very basic solution the insoluble salt Cr(OH)3 (Ksp=1,6*10-30) dissolves and forms the metal complex Cr(OH)4- (Kf=8*1028). Calculate the equilibrium constant, K, for the reaction:
Cr(OH)3(s) + OH-(aq) ⇔ Cr(OH)4-(aq).

Homework Equations



Same as in the first problem.

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not sure how to approach this exact problem. I know how to solve simpler problems that are showcased in my textbook, but there you're given numbers like molarities to work with. Here I only have equilibrium constants.
 
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Thanks for the reply.

1. Yes I have, but to my knowledge its only use is that you calculate pH in one step instead of two. I'm wondering whether my y+x=y and 0.5-x=0.5 assumptions are justified.

2. Thanks, I'll try that.
 
Well, it is possible to solve buffer problems using ICE tables. Whether your assumptions are correct you would have to check, solve the problem using them and see if your x and y have values that fit the approximations.

Just note that

silenzer said:
If I'm allowed to do the above, the problem is easy. I know Ka for HCO32- so all I have to do is plug everything I know into the Ka equation and solve for [H+].

concentration of H+ is not what you are looking for. Besides, initial concentration of HCO3- is not 0.5M. Are you sure you are solving the problem you have listed?
 
It's this problem, I just made stupid mistakes. You're correct of course, it's 0.125 M.

Oh, silly me. Of course I'm not supposed to find H+. Well, then I don't know what to do. Now I have a y which is my unknown, but I also know nothing abut the concentration of H+. Do you have any ideas?

edit: Woops, of course I know [H+]. The pH is supposed to be 10,00 at equilibrium. The case is closed! Thanks for the help.
 
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My ideas? Obvious: use the HH equation.
 

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