Heterogeneous equilibria: concentration of solids issue

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of heterogeneous equilibria, specifically focusing on the treatment of solid concentrations in equilibrium expressions as described in a chemistry textbook. Participants explore the implications of solid concentration and density in the context of chemical reactions.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the statement that the concentration of solid carbon does not change with the addition of more solid, suggesting that concentration typically implies the amount of dissolved substance.
  • The same participant questions the assertion that the concentration depends on density, which is said to remain constant, and wonders how adding more carbon could keep density unchanged.
  • Another participant clarifies that the discussion pertains to the concentration of solid carbon, not that of carbon dissolved in a solution.
  • Further clarification is provided that the density of solid carbon remains constant under the assumption that it is considered incompressible.
  • A participant acknowledges their understanding after receiving clarification about the density and concentration concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express confusion and seek clarification on the concepts discussed, indicating that there is no consensus yet on the interpretation of the textbook's statements regarding concentration and density of solids.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight assumptions regarding the incompressibility of solids and the definitions of concentration and density, which may affect their understanding of the topic.

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Homework Statement


Hello!

Here is the quote from the chemistry textbook by Tro:

However, since carbon is a solid, its concentration is constant—it does not change.

Adding more or less carbon to the reaction mixture does not change the concentration

of carbon. The concentration of a solid does not change because a solid does

not expand to fill its container. The concentration of a solid, therefore, depends

only on its density, which (except for slight variations due to temperature) is constant

as long as some solid is present. Consequently, pure solids—those reactants or

products labeled in the chemical equation with an (s )—are not included in the

equilibrium expression.

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3. The Attempt at a Solution [/B]
I will be grateful for your help because I do not understand everything that is said in the above quote.
Please, correct my assumptions or explain what I miss:
- I understand that the concentration of the solid will not change no matter how much solid we add because the concentration implies the amount of dissolved substance. Hence, if we have solid, it doesn't dissolve in that substance, and the concentration in the solution will be the same. That's why the textbook states that adding more carbon to the solution will not change its concentration.
- What I don't understand is the next thing that is being stated: the concentration depends on the density, which is constant. I assume the author says that no matter how much carbon we add to the solution the density will stay the same. How can that be, or do I miss some basic understanding? Density is the mass/volume, i.e. how much of substance's particles are present in a given volume. If I add more carbon, I will increase the density, won't I?
- I would interpret the phrase 'concentration is constant' as 'after some solid has been formed, at a certain period, if that solid did dissolve to some extent, the concentration will become stable no matter how much additional solid is added'.
Please, help to understand this topic.
Thank you!
 
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They are referring to the concentration of the solid carbon, not the concentration of the carbon dissolved in the solution.
 
Chestermiller said:
They are referring to the concentration of the solid carbon, not the concentration of the carbon dissolved in the solution.
Thank you for your reply! I am confused by the idea that no matter how much of carbon we add, the density stays the same. How can this be? Or am I reading the passage incorrectly?
 
ducmod said:
Thank you for your reply! I am confused by the idea that no matter how much of carbon we add, the density stays the same. How can this be? Or am I reading the passage incorrectly?
The density of the solid carbon stays the same (assuming that the carbon is considered incompressible).
 
Chestermiller said:
The density of the solid carbon stays the same (assuming that the carbon is considered incompressible).
I think I understand now, and see what has caused my confusion. Thank you!
 

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