Are Atoms Just a Model for the Unexplained in Programming?

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The discussion centers around the nature of atoms and the validity of the professor's assertion that they are merely a model for something we do not fully understand. Participants debate the implications of this statement, emphasizing that while atoms are indeed real and fundamental building blocks of matter, our understanding of their behavior at the quantum level is still evolving. There is a consensus that the atomic model has been successful in explaining many phenomena, despite the complexities and uncertainties at the subatomic scale. The conversation highlights the distinction between scientific models and absolute truths, with some arguing that calling atoms "just a model" undermines their established significance in science. The discussion also touches on the philosophical aspects of scientific understanding, suggesting that while our models may not capture the entirety of reality, they are nonetheless grounded in empirical evidence and practical utility. Overall, the thread reflects a nuanced view of scientific models, their limitations, and the ongoing quest for deeper understanding in the field of physics.
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>axiomatic+change axioms to suit changing circumstances

sounds like science as well.
 
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Hypotheses + changing hypotheses - not axioms- leading to theories, or working rules.
There is a difference. The point is that Scientific theories are falsifiable. That's the basis of the system. Axioms are just axioms and not falsifiable because you can't test an axiom.
Individual Scientists are only human and they may fight tooth and nail to maintain their ideas but the basis of Science is that it allows for change - it is a continuing search with no ultimate goal because it doesn't expect to 'arrive'.
The Others all believe that someone or something can and will supply all the answers or has supplied them already. Very cosy but a bit of a cop out afaiac.
 
  • #53
measurements=/= perspectives

o_O

i don't see how that could be misconstrued as difficult
 
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What am I construing as difficult?
I am just pointing out the essential between the ideal Scientific approach and that of Philosophy (and Religions) which start with axioms. And an axiom is not a hypothesis because it does not need to be tested - you just state it and work from there. Natch, they don't all lead very far but some of them (like those used in Logic) have a good track record.
Or are you answering a different post? :)
 
  • #55
DaveC426913 said:
To remind the students that reality is not a bunch of billiard balls bouncing off each other in well-behaved fashion.
I guess this would be just as true if you were actually talking about billiard balls. Heck, in some ways an atom behaves more like the idealized billiard ball than a real billiard ball does!
 
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