Are Binomial Coefficients and Fibonacci Numbers Related?

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The discussion centers on the potential relationship between binomial coefficients and Fibonacci numbers, exploring whether sums involving these coefficients yield Fibonacci numbers. Participants examine various approaches to prove this relationship, including induction and references to combinatorial identities.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that sums of binomial coefficients multiplied by corresponding Fibonacci numbers yield Fibonacci numbers, presenting specific examples.
  • Another participant recommends consulting combinatorial identities by John Riordan and Henri Gould for further insights.
  • A different participant proposes a proof by induction, stating it is easily verified for n=1 and outlines a recursive approach to extend the proof.
  • One participant mentions the possibility of using Pascal's triangle in relation to the discussion.
  • Another participant expresses confidence that the proof should be straightforward due to the recursive nature of the Fibonacci series and the properties of polynomial multiplication via convolution.

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Participants present multiple approaches and hypotheses regarding the relationship between binomial coefficients and Fibonacci numbers, but no consensus is reached on the validity of the proposed proofs or the relationship itself.

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Some participants reference specific mathematical identities and methods, but the discussion does not resolve the assumptions or steps necessary for a complete proof.

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I posted a bit about the characteristic value of a Fibonacci series without proof but nowI wonder about whether it could be valid. A remarkable result of it applies to the binominal coefficients. The sum of following Binominal coefficients times corresponing Fibonacci numbers are in them selves terms from the Fibonnacci series. In other words, each of the following sums is a Fibonacci number. "(n,i)" is used her to represent the the binominal coefficients

A. \sum_{i=0}^{n}F_{i-1}(n,i)

B. \sum_{i=0}^{n}F_{i-2}(n,i)

For intance;
F_{-1}*1 + F_{0}* 3 + F_{1}*3 + F_{2}*1 = F_{5}

F_{-2}*1 + F_{-1}*3 + F_{0}*3 + F_{1}*1 = F_{4}

F_{-1}*1 + F_{0}*4 + F{1}*6 + F_{2}*4 + F_{3}*1 = F_{7}

I could go on but that in it self does not prove the result.
 
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The only thing I can advise you is to check in Combinatorial Identities of John Riordan and another one by Henri Gould.
 
loop quantum gravity said:
The only thing I can advise you is to check in Combinatorial Identities of John Riordan and another one by Henri Gould.

Thanks but I thought of a proof by Induction
To Prove

F_{x+2n) = \sum_{i=0}^{n}F_{x+i}nCi

It is easily verified for n=1

If true for any positive n then it is true for n+1

F_{(x+2*(n+1))} = F_{(x+2n)} + F_{(x+2n+1)}

=\sum_{i=0}^{n}F_{x+i}nCi + F_{x+1+i}nCi

Combining like F terms and using (n+1)Ci = nC(i-1)+nCi gives the required result
 
ramsey2879 said:
I posted a bit about the characteristic value of a Fibonacci series without proof but nowI wonder about whether it could be valid. A remarkable result of it applies to the binominal coefficients. The sum of following Binominal coefficients times corresponing Fibonacci numbers are in them selves terms from the Fibonnacci series. In other words, each of the following sums is a Fibonacci number. "(n,i)" is used her to represent the the binominal coefficients

A. \sum_{i=0}^{n}F_{i-1}(n,i)

B. \sum_{i=0}^{n}F_{i-2}(n,i)

For intance;
F_{-1}*1 + F_{0}* 3 + F_{1}*3 + F_{2}*1 = F_{5}

F_{-2}*1 + F_{-1}*3 + F_{0}*3 + F_{1}*1 = F_{4}

F_{-1}*1 + F_{0}*4 + F{1}*6 + F_{2}*4 + F_{3}*1 = F_{7}

I could go on but that in it self does not prove the result.

How about using Pascel's triangle.
 
Anyway, I don't think it should be hard to prove using induction given that Fibonacci series is defined recursively and polynomial multiplication can be done via convolution.
 

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