Are Flying Triangles Real? Deciphering UFO Sightings and Technology

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The discussion revolves around the validity of UFO sightings and the potential existence of advanced technology behind them. Participants express skepticism about government involvement and the plausibility of the physics explanations provided in linked articles, labeling them as "technobabble." Some mention credible scientific work on MagnetoHydroDynamic (MHD) technology as a possible explanation for such crafts. The conversation also touches on historical sightings of triangular UFOs, suggesting they may have been observed as far back as the 1970s, and speculates on their potential robotic nature for reconnaissance purposes. Overall, the thread highlights a mix of skepticism, curiosity, and speculation regarding the nature of these unidentified crafts.
  • #31
cyrusabdollahi said:
We are facing a situation in which we know that some triangles are ours (as the 1989 sighting by Chris Gibson demonstrates), some triangles are big, some are small, some do not appear to be "ours." If there is a single terrestrial explanation for this, it would have to be a shadow group, most likely among people deeply immersed in the world of black defense technology who developed their own agenda independent of any formally established government. -Richard M. Dolan


I can sum up his paper in two words, I will just abbreviate, B.S. Also, I can sum him up in two words, Nut Job. Yikes, I dident think there REALLY were people as crazy as him!

I like my triangles equilaterial, but that's just me. You might be an isosceles man yourself. :smile:

I really don't see what's crazy about it, yes he's speculating, but based on the good and reliable information that's out there, it really isn't that far out of a conclusion.
 
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  • #32
DaveC426913 said:
I was really talking more in terms of "# of hits" as oppsoed to quality of images. As just one example, we should get a rise in multiple recordings of the same siting, adding a virtually unprecedented layer of information.

That's true. I guess my thinking is that you make a good point, but also I can't help but think of sightings such as the Mexico City events a few years ago, where many videos were taken in conjunction with eyewitness testimony, but with no conclusive results to be found. Still, I guess that if there really are ET UFOs, eventually one is bound to show up in the right place at the right time. I know of events from history in which hundreds or even thousands of witnesses reportedly saw the same craft(s), not to mention the first sighting of the Phoenix lights episode, so one good showing at a football game or a company picnic and we may have the solution to all of this.

As for faking a cell phone pictures, I really doubt this is so hard to fake. For example, how about taking a picture of a picture?

Bruce Maccabee argues the best photographic evidence would be a 3D shot. He said that there is one way that he knows that one could be faked, but he's not saying what that might be, and I think he said that he could tell if this was done.
 
  • #33
As for faking a cell phone pictures, I really doubt this is so hard to fake. For example, how about taking a picture of a picture?

Yes, but you're still thinking in terms of individuals, or a single group of cohorts. We should start seeing incidents where many people unrelated and phyiscally separated from each other take shots of the same events. (Not that this has not happened already...)

Or we won't. Which will begin answering some questions too.


As our techology advances, so will our ability to shed light on these mysteries. One might argue that technology will also advance in making more elaborate hoaxes, but somewhow I don't think that will happen. More elaborate hoaxes will eventually be too difficult to pull off with the low budgets that hoaxers have available. So far, other than some wacky publicity, no one stands to gain from UFO sightings, so there's no reason for more money (such as what might be offered by private corporations) to be put into them. The technology to uncover hoaxes will eventually outpace the technology to stage hoaxes.
 
  • #34
Sorry, the bit about the cell phones was out of context. I meant this in response to PIT2's single cell phone picture. It is argued that this would be impossible to fake.
 
  • #35
I read this newsstory today:

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,15290518%255E2862,00.html

In it, there are two lines that say:

Tim Webster, 23, of Upwey, admits he was looking forward to an alien abduction as he photographed the lights on his phone-camera.

Local pizza shop manager Ned Bulic also took phone pictures and said: "They were definitely alien UFOs. Nothing else could have moved like that."

I hope to see these pictures online soon.
In the story it is said that another person also took video footage.
 
  • #36
Hello all

Please excuse my spelling.

Ive seen this TR3b astra close up in January this year. I am an electrician in the UK and I was traveling throught the lake district at 1am. It was extreemly low about 40-50 foot of the ground. It was very big. It seemed bigger than a 747 a pure trangle shaped body not at all arodynamic and any other aircraft traveling at that speed would have dropped out of the sky. It was compleately silent with no jets thrusters or prppellas. Just the 3 corner lights. The whole concept has facinated me sinse the early 90's when I saw a documentry about what the UK and the US found when they invaded Nazi germany.

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I don't think this TR3b has got anything to do with aliens i think its man made compleately. Could this be the Biefeld–Brown effect on a very large scale and is that just a Ion Drive.?
 
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  • #37
I don't think this TR3b has got anything to do with aliens i think its man made compleately.

Could this be the Biefeld–Brown effect on a very large scale and is that just a Ion Drive.?

References to the alleged work by the Nazi's and Tesla were deleted pending reputable sources supporting the claims.

While you are free to share your sighting, we don't know if any such crafts exists [if you saw what you think you saw], and we certainly don't know the designation. If you are going to make specific claims going beyond what you saw, they have to be supported with credible links - mainstream news sources or official military/government sources.

The so-called Biefeld-Brown effect has been debunked already.
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=288008

See also the list of banned topics.
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=414380
 
  • #38
My brother and a friend of ours experienced one of these triangle craft sightings about 7-8 years ago. Over the next few days stealth fighters were seen over the sky's. Coincidence? Possibly - with no additional information i can't summarize a reason - I wish there was more raw data on these craft. They have been an interest of mine. I just want the propulsion schematics - please forward them to me if you got them! (just kiddin!)
 
  • #39
I have an explanation for at least some of these "flying triangle" sightings, based on my own experience.

One clear night, nearly a year ago or so, I was out in the back patio with my then-present-girlfriend doing some observing with the telescope. After observing a good number of clusters, nebula, planets, and double stars, we started chatting about something or other. When suddenly, out of the corner of our eyes we saw something quickly moving in the sky and looked up. Unfortunately we only got a glance at it for a couple of seconds before it moved out of view behind a building. Here are the facts as to what I saw, as I knew them at the time:

o It was a triangular "pattern" of many lights.
o The pattern was quite large, perhaps around 50 to 100 feet (~ 15 - 30 m) across.
o It was low flying, maybe only 100-200 ft (~30-60 m) up.
o It was moving at a modestly fast pace -- not lightning speed, but much faster than something could move using only the wind.
o It was absolutely silent. 'Not a sound to be heard.

..."Did you see that?" My then-girlfriend asked.
..."Yeah... Yeah I did," I replied.
..."What the hell was it?"
..."Um. I don't know."
..."That was weird. What in the world could that have been?" She asked rhetorically.
..."Yeah... That was odd," I muttered.
..."Oh my god," she said slowly, "we just saw a UFO."
..."Hmmm. Perhaps," I said. I started scratching my head. "Maybe it was a group of fighter jets flying in formation and it just seemed closer than it actually was." Which didn't seem too unreasonable as a first guess. Military jets fly overhead all the time in the city I live in.
..."That was no group of planes," she exclaimed. "We would have heard a noise! Even if they were higher it would mean they would had to have been flying faster, and we still would have heard the exhaust."
..."Yes, that makes sense. You're right. One way or another we would have heard a noise. I suppose we can rule out airplanes." I scratched my head, "Maybe a group of gliders?" I felt silly with that statement as soon as it left my tongue. Granted, there is an international glider port in our city, but no gliders would be flying near my neighborhood. And in the middle of the night. And in formation too!
..."Do you even listen to yourself?, she said. "It was a UFO."
..."I suppose you're right."
..."I wonder if anybody else saw this alien ship besides us. Given the direction it was headed..."
..."Hold on," I interrupted. "I'm not saying it was an alien ship. I'm just saying that I don't know what it was."
..."Well what do you think it is, then?"
..."I don't know," I replied. "It was flying. It was some sort of an object or objects. And we haven't Identified it. So technically it's an unidentified flying object until we can identify it. So yeah. At the moment anyway, all we can say is that technically speaking, we saw UFO."

She seemed satisfied with that last comment, so we didn't bring it up again for awhile.

A few days to a week later, I was outside with the telescope again. But this time I was by myself setting it up for an astrophotography attempt. My then-girlfriend was inside watching TV. I had been outside in the dark for awhile, setting up the scope, getting the scope aligned, attaching the focal reducer, fumbling in the dark to find and connect the proper tube attachments, attaching the camera, attaching the cables, connecting the autoguider, the list goes on (astrophotgraphy, as rewarding as it can be, can also be a real tedious b**ch sometimes). My eyes were fairly well adjusted to the darkness, is my point.

Taking a break to smoke a cigarette, I looked up at the sky and low-and-behold the "UFO" came back. And this time I saw it approaching. It was definitely the same thing as before (or something just like it). And this time it flew directly overhead, so I got an even better view. After it passed, I had to sigh and chuckle, realizing what it was. Here are the facts of what I saw:

o It was a triangular "pattern" of many lights. (Just like before.)
o The pattern was quite large. (Same as before.)
o It was low flying. (Same as before.)
o It was moving at a modestly fast pace. (Same as before.)
o It was absolutely silent. (Same as before).
o Each of the 'lights', not only had a main body, but also wings that flapped occasionally.
o Each of the 'lights' also had a neck and head.
o Although most of the lights were not flapping their wings at any given moment in time, each 'light' would flap its wings occasionally.

Yes, this 'UFO' was nothing more than a flock of birds. That's right. A flock of birds.

My back patio that I use for astronomy is fairly well shielded from the surrounding city lights by nearby 2-story buildings. Just on the opposite side of my place, directly across the street, there is a strip mall with atrocious, horrible, pre-regulation, light polluting parking lot lights. My building shields the glare from this strip mall when I'm in the back patio. But anything higher than 2 stories is lit up like a matchbox. The bird flock was flying well over 2 stories up, and were illuminated quite brightly, as can be expected given the light polluting abomination nearby.

So I wonder how many other "flying triangle" sightings could be explained by a flock of birds. If a light source is nearby such that the source is not in direct view; being hid behind a small hill, building, foliage, or some other natural or man-made structure; and if there is little to no fog/haze in the air, one would not even notice that there is such a light source. There would be nothing to reflect the light to one's eyes. But if a flock of birds entered the region of the lights source, they would appear to be lit up quite brightly -- spectacularly if the hidden source was bright enough. Reading through this thread, it doesn't explain all the sightings, at least as they are portrayed. But I bet it could explain quite a few.

After I got my equipment set up and started the first round of exposures, I went back inside where my then-girlfriend was on the couch watching TV.

..."Oh, remember that 'UFO' we saw the other night?" I had to squint my eyes, as they had not yet adjusted to the brightness of the room -- which is saying a lot because the room was only illuminated by a dim table lamp and the TV itself. "I know what it was."
..."Oh, what!" She yelled. "What was it?"
..."I just saw it fly over again a few minutes ago."
..."No!" She exclaimed, "what was it?"
..."It was a flock of birds."
..."No it wasn't."
..."Yes," I said, "it was a flock of birds. I got a good look this time. I even saw their wings flapping. Just birds. 'Wings, head, neck, the whole bit. 'Flock o' birds."
..."It wasn't birds. It was a spaceship or something like that. I don't know if was an alien ship or secret government ship ... I don't know what it was but it was some sort of UFO."
..."No, it's not a UFO anymore," I explained, "I just identified it, so it's no longer an unidentified flying object. It was a flock of birds. I saw it clearly this time."
..."Well, I don't know what it was, but that's not what I saw."
..."We only got a glimpse of it the other night, maybe for only a couple of seconds. But tonight I good view of it. And it went directly overhead this time. I'm tellin' ya', I saw it in detail. 100%, it was a flock of birds."
..."No, my mind's made up. Alien UFO."

I can totally understand somebody seeing something that they can't identify or explain. But why some insist that it must be a spacecraft , is what makes me really think.
 

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